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It worries me that clubs or the media say that players should not be out late. Every athlete needs to get away from their life/job for a period and behave like normal ppl. If they get drunk, so be it. It's what 20 somethings do. Go out and have a good time. It's Xmas and New Year FFS. He didnt do anything wrong!! Leave it be

I remember going to the Cattery mtg up with some friends (demon fans) who bought seated tickets and they had to leave their seats due to threats as they sat amongst cat supporters at half time. We had drinks in a bar afterwards and witnessed a group of demon fans be beaten by cats fans and the security guards. The dee fans were not the aggressors yet the security guards still beat them. We noted the the security numbers on their shirts and made formal complaints and the GFC refused to hear us. Will never go there again!!! It was like being a Muslim in South Carolina

TMc - another one I didn't think of!! With his size, pace and motor, could he be the Goodes of the team? Really I still want games into the young ones, but with good support around them

I've gone down the youth path as to be a real finals/premiership threat that's where the improvement is needed Jack Watts It's an obvious choice. To be a real threat Jack needs go continue his improvement!! I hope Jack takes on a KP in the forward line and shows he can be an elite player as a CHF. I hope he starts to kick multiple goals and exhort physical pressure on his opponent. I would be happy with glimpses in this area as he is probably 2 years off being consistent as a true CHF. Sam Blease In only 5 games he showed glimpses of BIG talent. His run and carry, disposal and attacking abilty was very good. He has areas he needs to develop and he will be all the better developing at AFL level. I see Sammy as a potential AFL A grade midfielder. The club needs A grade midfielders Jack Trengove The sky is the not even the limit for Jack. The stratosphere is his limit!! Needs to become another AFL A grader to takes us up the ladder. Has a perfect balance of inside/outside play and can be a goal kicker. Our most important player for the future. Probable future captain too! Grimes Another possible AFL A grade player. I don't care where he plays, please god just let him play!!! Tappy Another with huge upside. Could be another top midfielder who becomes part of a potential AFL A grade midfield. Can play forward and back too. Special Mentions Jamie Strauss 5 to 10 games from James with the same quality he has shown previously would be very nice indeed. He looks to be a cconfidence player with very good upside Gysbert Another guy with huge upside. Classy ball magnet who is a pure midfielder. Could have been in my top 5 easily (maybe should be) Howe Another with huge upside. Showed BIG promise - too many to choose from!!! Forwards Clark and Jurrah to jump off the potential list and deliver an all round game of excitement and discipline Midfield The only player who I can think of is Beamer. Another good season for my favorite player Backs Frawley and Garland are the mainstays of the backline Leadership Green, Davey, Jamar, Beamer, and Rivers. All 5 need to show great leadership skills for a good 2012 tilt toward finals New Recruites Sellar 10 very good games in the backline on the gorillas would make me very happy Magner I like what I have seen at VFL level. Could be a good support for Beamer and prove to be a good recruit (ready to play) Williams I have s good feeling. Can't explain why?

It seems as though the football dept has looked at 3 different areas that the club need beefing up on More elite trainers (couch) on the track setting the pace for others to compete against. Jones has been the benchmark in this area but it's looks as though TMac and JT have stepped up this year too. More ball getting ability and toughness in tight (couch, magner) for the others to compete against. No more reliance on Beamer in this area. And genuine height and strength up forward and back (Clark,Sellar) And I almost forgot another area, 23 to 26 year old players who can play I have no doubt the coaching staff can pick talented players, but they can't compare this talent across different leagues and competitions. That's where the recruitment dept come in and try and make informed decisions. I hope there has been a very good balance of decisions made between the coaches and recruitment depts. At the end of the day time will judge the decisions made. Fingers crossed

Not sure I'm negative to either Neeld or Craig. I'm just unsure about Neil's role and Mark's media performance. I like both guys and see the benefits both guys have brought to the club. I apologize if it seems negative. But I have not made any blanket statements on either one of them. That's the problem with written material, it gets lost in translation

Maybe you could try and definitively explain it to me, rather than get personal

Hopefully

Poor Ox I love the man but he isn't the most articulate of men. Gotta love his sometimes out spoken love and passion for the club. If only more past players in the media had his guts to defend the honor of our club in the public domain. At least he is sprucking the club when appropriate

I'm surprised that I haven't read more about the issue of NC Sherking the question about him not defining his role. Does anyone know what he is doing definitively? Or is his role a work in progress? I cant think of the club or anyone explaining it to the point I can understand it!

I can't help but feel that Neeld had some influence with Taggart coming to the club too. He was a favorite with Bucks when he coached the under 16 Aust squad and they shared an office. Many in the industry were surprised by who we drafted and most who were drafted has the smell of the coaching staff on them. I hope they have got this right and the recruiting staff were given the space to do there jobs without being hindered too much. Coaches aren't recruiters

Neelds media performances leave me feeling flat.

I'm excited the club is on the front foot with the China experiment as well in other areas. This is an untapped area that could bring $$$$ to the club as well as world class sport science facilities if we choose the high altitude way to go. Gone are the days when we hesitate with issues like the Lexus center and lose out If I does not work out I'm confident the club will switch tact and move to greener pastures

All I ask for is a fit playing list with the best 22 playing each week in their best positions. Davey (switched on) is in our best 22 and is a dynamic excitement machine, especially in the forward line. He's a noted goal kicker and I'm excited by this move (if true). Let's hope he rekindles days gone by.

Hi ya all Long time reader of this site, virgin poster. I have to say I've never gone into the 'Gen Discussion' before and I'm impressed by all discussions in all forums I was impelled to sign up to contribute to this discussion. Regardless of all your views on this topic there is a general level of respect for each persons views. GOOD STUFF I'll come out of the closet and say I'm an open gay man and think I can contribute to this discussion. I maybe gay but it does not define me. I'm an average Joe Blow generally. I don't believe in marriage at all! Man, women gay or straight! But I do know how it feels not to be given the rights that white straight middle class ppl have in this country This issue is not about left or right wing politics. Gay ppl are represented in both sides of politics and in and/or out of the church. I think I can speak for my community to say all we ask for is the right to have equal access to services and institutions in society. In regards to gay marriage or civil union, most gay ppl believe in their right to choose. I choose the defacto route. Many ppl here have the assumption that gay ppl are not religious. Not true many gays are very religious and have very close bonds to their god and church. Marriage and church are very close to their hearts, more so than some straight ppl. I think to deny their right to marry in ther church is deny what believe to be a human right. Many sections of churches and religions believe this too. Religion and the church are not fundamentally against gay rights. It's the ppl in power who makes these decisions. It does not make it right IMO. Why should gay ppl who are fundamentally more religious than yourself be denied a very personal issue, the right to connect to their chosen person to marry in their church. It seems hypocritical that ppl who aren't very religious be allowed to marry in the church I do believe gay ppl should to allowed to legally connect either via defacto or civil union. It annoys me that if my partner was in hospital seriously Ill, that I cannot be their legal guardian. My partners family would be, and I would not be involved in critical decisions. This is wrong especially if his family rejected him due to his sexuality. His family could take my family house and half of our finances if he died. This is wrong but this is the current legal status. Basic rights I see this. Some have made the assumptions that kids would be worse of being loved by gay parents. I can say I would have been better off as I would not had the personal struggles if gay relationships were normalised. And I come frome an extremely loving family. Kids don't not care for a mum and dad or dad and dad or mum and mum. They care for love and security. My nieces love me and don't care who I love! They want me to love them, care for them and be secure with me. I'm not sexually permiscuos or effeminate. The gay community are just as diverse as the straight community. We have long lasting relationship and are very functional ppl and well as being dysfunctional. We can provide love and stability just as well as you!! If nature says we can't have kids, it's not entirely true. I could father I child if I wanted. I can have sex with a women and get her pregnant If I chose to manipulate the situation, but why do that Coz society forces me to. I could love an un wanted child just as easily. If nature is a relevant argument IVF should be banned to barren ppl. Nature has already decided their fate. Nature has decided pregnancy can be manipulated thru IVF. science don't discriminate ppl do Ok this is a long winded post. I'll end off with that it's people who who deny rights. Denying rights is what ppl do to control others. Control leads to ppl being bashed and killed. Every society does this. Don't think our society is any different. I had a friend who was bashed and killed walking out of a gay club. You may be more liberal in your thinking, but any denial of a human right is fundamentally a issue of controlling behavior