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Lions put up a bigger and longer offer for Rivers then Geelong have

so much for leaving no stone unturned...

Ok pick 17 seems to have just been tabled by WC according to rumors. Have barely head a peep from the MFC so far, so much for 'Leaving no stone unturned'

Just because he wants to go back to WA doesn't mean he will. End of the day it comes down to who has the rights to his contract and I doubt Collingwood will give it up cheap.

We better not be contemplating giving up Brodie Grundy or Jimmy Toumpas for him...

That's gotta burn Mr Harrington. Probably hours of work down the drain. Great start for MFC....

Im suspicious with Cloke signing, not long after Eddie made his ploy to Vlad to have a similar deal like Carltons Visy one setup... $800K a year add in Pendlebury($700K), Swan($600K), Jolly($500K) and Ball($500K). Doesn't leave much for the others.

What deal exactly?

Could push our pick 13 to pick 14

My biggest concern is that I have never heard or seen half of these players play before. Anyone can give a summary about them?

I didn't say we should. I just said that I find it interesting that we haven't while some other clubs/players have.

I find it funny how the MFC went on about having a giant warchest, yet every player the media say we are linked to has been denied by either the MFC or the player. I don't think I have seen any quoted reports yet about the MFC actually being into anyone.

I have heard that he has been seen playing golf with some of the Essendon fellas and that they are keen on him. (Legit rumor)

Martin is one of our best players on offer this trade season. He is a player who can excel in the right environment which currently is not MFC. A trade for a mid would be a good result for all

As a player of course it was partly his fault. And why are you even bringing up Sylvia? If we could get a good trade for Sylvia that help rectify a weak spot of our team then yes I would trade him.

28 is almost 30 and he will still be 2nd string then as Jamar will still be around (And even possibly had Gawn surpass him). You are digging yourself a hole. On top of that who do you suggests he taps it to since you prefer holding onto rucks when we are in excess amount of them and have no decent mids to even rove the ball (aside from Jones) Trading Martin for Wellingham is a good trade and we should go for it if we can.

29 (Which is almost 30 like I said) in 2016 which will be the first year after Jamar is gone. Wellingham > Backup Ruckman Especially since our midfield is the worst in the competition and our Ruckman have nobody decent (Apology Jones) to tap it to anyway.

Last Year! that was Last year. So everytime a player has a good year it means we should not trade them? Where was he rated top 3-5 ruckman in the comp? We need currency for mids, whats the point of good ruckmen if they only have opposition mids to tap it to?

Congratulations, you are twisting my argument and then over analyzing it.

Do you think we should keep Martin? He turns 27 next year and we have just signed Jamar for 3 years meaning Martin will most likely be 2nd string ruckman until his almost 30. He isnt a Key defender or forward so we have no real use for him. Swans had 9 players who scored above 3 votes meaning the votes needed to be shared between players. Martin had no competition (except the opposition or Jones) who he would have needed to share votes against. Not to get votes in a top team is different to not getting votes in a bottom team. When your in a bottom team you dont have star players taking them all, they are their for anybody to step up and take them. (And Martin didn't take any)

I was watching last year when we lost by 186, were you? Maybe we should keep every other player who has come in the top 8 of our best and fairest for 1 year in their career.

I think Blease will be a good goal kicking mid next year

Being injury prone isn't an excuse. It can be bad luck but some players just do not have the awareness to prevent and dodge big hits like others do. Gysberts has had 3 years already and MFC has had the smallest return for a big investment. Reports have also indicated that he hasn't bought in and does not like the new regime. I do not think that is writing him off easy, if I took a job and did not perform for 3 years I am pretty sure they would be writing me off. How long do you suggest we give players after drafting them to start to return the investment? 5 years? Honestly i think 3 is more then enough, especially for a mid who still seems way under par in terms of size and fitness.

Get your head out of the sand. He is a fringe player in a team that came last when you dont count the new franchises. If we hang onto fringe players then we are no hope of moving up the ladder. Half our list are spuds including Martin. Did you not see the brownlow last night? Only player who scored over 3 votes for MFC was Jones.

Wonder if Scully feels embarrassed with a tally of 0