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Does he have any hamstrings left?

Not sure how Oliver can be anything but A. Would be a walk up start as number 1 mid in pretty much every AFL team bar a couple. It's actually ridiculous how underrated he is in the media and part of me is sceptical that it's because he plays for Melbourne. Put him in an Essendon or a Collingwood jumper and I bet people would be raving about him. The fact that Petracca and May aren't listed as A-grade also suggests that his opinion is not worth much. p.s. Langdon as C?? really? As deanox has pointed out he has been top 5 in BnF's three years running. Not sure how that puts him in the 18-30 group.

McCluggage please and thank you :)

Most clubs have their own paper bags it would seem. Farms and livestock?

With GWS losing a large amount of players this offseason, we may be able to use this to our advantage to trade up in the draft. GWS will look to receive Pick 9 for Williams (1st round compensation) Possibly pick 11 and 13 for Cameron (forced trade with Geelong with 2 X first rounders likely) Pick 28 for Corr (2nd round compensation) Caldwell and Hately are both former first round draft picks and would likely command at least a 2nd round pick each. Langdon won't be a throw away pick either. Some of these trades may involve players or future picks which makes things interesting. Given how this draft is shaping as one of the most compromised in history, and with GWS perhaps feeling burnt by young kids leaving so soon into their careers, it may make sense for them to invest these picks into a mix of established best 22 players and draftees. With some mooted interest in McDonald and established intention to recruit Preuss, this could present as a significant chance to move up into the first round rather than accumulate token picks in the 30's/40's.

Reports on afl.com of both players requesting a trade to Port and West Coast respectively as widely speculated.

Caldwell has nominated Essendon as his club of choice to be traded to. St Kilda were allegedly front runners but the commitment of crouch as a rfa probably impacted this. Gws bleeding players at the moment. Hard to see us acquiring any other Gws youngsters after the exits they've had.

Forgot about Corr. North must have made a really nice financial offer for him to go there. With Cameron, Williams and Hately leaving GWS are going to have a slew of early picks again. Feel they've lost too much quality for it to matter now and they should be occupying the bottom half of the ladder for the next few years. Wonder if the likes of Kelly, Whitfield and Taranto will be gettable once the ship starts to sink.

Feel free to discuss them but I haven't included them in the initial list because as far as I'm aware they haven't been linked to a specific club. Have heard they want to move to SA and WA respectively though.

Pending fitness, I now think Brown is a must. With our list I genuinely think our window for a premiership is now, however our forward line with Weideman and Jackson in my opinion is too immature and would rely on some drastic improvement from both players. This is both unrealistic and unfair on both in my opinion. We may have seen the best of McDonald and Petty is promising but unproven. We can't afford to wait 5 years for Jackson to be an established KPF, particularly as he may play more midfield anyway, while Weideman needs help from a mature Key forward. Brown instantly makes our forward line more potent and gives Weideman the second defender with Jackson having the ability to play as a mobile third tall and have flexibility around the ground. Brown, outside of Cameron, is the best key forward available on the market; I hope like hell we're doing our best to get him.

Would love for Adelaide or North to pick him up in the PSD so both Carlton and Essendon lose out. Ultimately though I think Carlton will split their first pick and Essendon will reluctantly accept a late first rounder for him with perhaps later pick swaps to save face.

Thought it would be good idea to condense all known/reported player movements not related to MFC into this thread here for discussion. If mods deem this as unnecessary feel free to delete. So far we have Atkins to Gold Coast - UFA Williams to Carlton - RFA Saad to Carlton - Trade requested Hately to Adelaide - Trade requested Daniher to Brisbane - RFA Cameron to Geelong - RFA Crouch to St Kilda - RFA Hartigan to Hawthorn - UFA Might be missing some but those are the ones I can recall.

I like the romance of Jesse coming back to play for us but I just can't see it happening. It sounds like he had a myriad of issues while he was with us and we gave him a gentle nudge out the door in 2018. Looking from the outside, those issues have only gotten worse with Jesse not only suffering a foot injury that forced him to miss a large chunk of footy, but having serious mental health issues that took him out of the game for a while as well. Now after years of chasing him, freo are pushing him out the door with one year left to go on his initial contract. That's screaming red flags for me. I would say his value has dropped dramatically and if there is a club interested in him, they won't be giving up a first round pick.

Won't happen with Langdon on our list. Bad history there.

Re-signing priority. West Coast will come hard for him next year. As for position, I think he still serves his "apprenticeship" in the forward 50 taking the second tall and chopping out in the ruck. Wasn't sold on him during the draft but have done a quick 180, could be anything.

Great bands, I have live gigs up there with going to the footy for my 2021 hopes.

Can't begrudge him if he wants to leave for more security and opportunities, but personally would love to see him stay if not just to provide leadership and mentor Pickett.

Lumumba sues over Racism and the Filth now into Jetta. Might not be linked at all but perhaps they're impressed with his leadership and community work and hope he will bring about a cultural change within their club?

8th round pick, lol

Maybe with some creative accounting both clubs could get some salary cap relief but can't see it working to be honest. Pies will want us to pay a fair chunk of McDonalds wage then throw in Phillips on top of that then we probably won't be in much of a better position salary cap wise.

This years trade period really is shaping up as an interesting one. We traded out of the first round citing the numerous players spoken for via f/s and NGA, consensus here is that was a wise move. Now with COVID wiping out the Victorian U/18s year and limiting the exposure of a large portion of the draft pool, that also brings further questions about how to research and project players into the draft. Now it appears we have focused our trade targets to Brown and Smith, while something else may yet come out of the woodwork as well. Smith is an Unrestricted free agent and won't cost any picks, however there is still some conjecture about the worth of Brown considering his interrupted year as well as being pushed out the door by North. Some suggestions include late first rounders through to something in late 2nd round. Regardless, we would appear to have the tools to facilitate a trade with the selections we have in either this years and next years draft or a combination there of. Salary cap space is the major impediment to any trade for Brown it would seem. So after actively trading out of the early part of this years draft, limiting our involvement if you will, we are also willingly shopping around multiple players, some contracted some not. ANB, T-Mac, O-mac, Preuss, Hannan and if some posters are to be believed, Brayshaw has been put on the table. Speculation around Oliver continues, however if there is any truth to the rumours I would fully expect the club to hold him to his contract, additionally I can't see anyway the Blues could entice us. In the hypothetical event he does request a trade next year, I would be expecting Judd like compensation. So what is our aim in facilitating so many player trades? Is it largely for salary cap relief? Are we targeting more players we're yet to hear about? Have we now identified someone in the draft and aiming to make our way up the draft board? Will we invest in next years draft and request future selections? I suspect the answer may be a combination of some of the above, but it's interesting nonetheless. Complicating things further is there still seems to be no confirmed details about list sizes and Salary cap space.

Melksham was tried at half back in his first year and was dropped very quickly. When he returned to the team he was placed in the forward half and showed far better form. I doubt Goodwin will experiment with Melksham down back again, particularly with so much riding on next year. Salem, Rivers and Hibberd are enough runners off the back line as well so if Melksham can't make it in the forward half then he plays twos.

Jack Higgins is ooc in 2021 but he's been mentioned in some articles about clubs enquiring about him. Think tigers hold onto him this year but would definitely be interested next year.