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Jordon was bog average with us but has played better with maturity and more opportunities at the Swans And good on him but we couldn't fit him in ... shiiitt happens It's not the end of the world either. You win some, you lose some The biggest loss was Hogan but that just was never going to work with us either You move on

Yes, but on this thread, there's little or no balance So I've argued fiercely the other way just to square the ledger And believe it or not, I'm not a Goodwin fan. Nor do I think he should be sacked The responsibility on our game day performances has many factors And I prefer players who take responsibility with an ability to think for themselves We're not seeing that thus the comparisons to 2012/2013 The difference between then and now is that at least we have proven talent these days. Back then we had very little talent So there's hope

I reckon that is rubbish. For instance, a 50 metre long bomb travels very quickly And the kicks are counted yeah?

So what happens if we get smashed today? Any blame on our millionaire players? Or are they immune from criticism? If we win? Wow, wouldn't that be something with games against the Tigers & Eagles coming up! Credit to the coach if we win?

No, Goodwin is coaching to a new game plan but the players aren't listening We trained all summer with a fast paced offense and have talked about the new game plan since early last season There's no buy-in from the players. They all revert to kind once the ball is in their hands You need to start critiquing the players a lot more. Stop blaming Goodwin

Rubbish Jordon and Bedford hadn't done much when they were with us and were surplus to needs In fact, both sought trades for more opportunities. Fair enough too, it's not a perfect world You are stuck in the past

He didn't learn how to not coach overnight His record speaks for itself until ... we decided to change the game plan (a gutsy move and high risk) So it's all very good until it wasn't ... the players haven't bought in, it's as simple as that The fix isn't easy as the coach nearly always cops it first By the way, with a decent forward line we win the 2023 flag. So Goodwin should be a dual premiership coach (but for injuries)

I stand by what I'm saying The players have not bought in to the new game plan and we've been left behind All summer we trained for it and the club has also talked about it a lot but we are not seeing it My concern is that we sack Goodwin and then what? An interim coach with another game plan? Not going to work as footy is a lot more complicated these days All weaknesses are exploited Yes, we could keep getting smashed but that's going to be on the players, not the coaching Overpaid, underworked & lazy. The players need to wake up to themselves We should not have to hold their hands

We need to share the ball at high speed whilst gaining territory (and don't kick it to contests) We don't do that yet that is what the modern demands of football requires So why aren't we doing what we're supposed to be doing? The simple answer is there is no buy-in What I'm saying should be obvious to everyone but once the coach is in the gun, the players get off the hook Coach killers

I'm just trying to square the ledger To lay the blame at Goodwin's feet is not only wrong & unfair, it's lazy analysis As lazy as our team right now There's no magic wand ... the only way to get out of this mess is for the players to wake up to themselves If they need a coach to hold their hands, they can P.O. Right now, the team is playing soft, bruise-free football and that's on the players, not the coach

They are not gut running or running to position. Lazy and unaccountable Playing selfish and no real teamwork. Bludging Look at how Collingwood play. Total team where as we are anti team You're in denial, Gonzo

Read the training reports And trying to discredit me is typical of your type. You just don't like a counter argument What's your argument? Sack the coach? Low IQ stuff And there is nothing obtuse about what I'm saying. In fact, I could not be more forthright But you'll get your wish. Goodwin will probably get the boot

You just don't like what I've got to say or my tone And I am not wrong... the players are bludging. Do you not watch our games? Trying to discredit me won't work as there are many who actually agree with me (but they are steering clear, for now) In fact, what I'm saying has already been said by many Not everyone wants to just blame the coach

Yes but you've not noticed the question mark with the topic name? That means we can talk about everything connected to the coach Including the coach killers ... the players

It's a player issue, Gonzo They refuse to buy in out of pure laziness Overpayed, underworked and lazy

Oliver plays for now and Viney & Sparrow can play at Casey Long term, maybe all 3 go elsewhere but the contracts save them

You misunderstood The list is cooked apart from the young blokes coming through Back in the Neeld era, we overestimated the worth of the list as well Many were projecting finals in 2012 ... what we got instead was basket-case material Face it, we need to rebuild the list

Refer to our training in the summer Do you need me to navigate you or are you able to do your own research? In other words, start looking a bit deeper

That's what we said before Neeld took over Then things got worse Our players are coach killers

Ok then, now we're talking So the coach has copped most of the angst on this thread so far How about we spend 100 pages on all the other issues? Just to square things up Trouble is, we are stuck with a number of the other issues that's why the coach often cops it first But I'd hold firm with Goodwin and start clearing out the deadwood than can be cleared out

JVR & Fritsch have been heading for the axe since halfway last year What has saved them is we don't have replacements. In fact, the coach has shown remarkable faith in both of them I'd trade both of them

God help us The lunatics have taken over the asylum

Goodwin didn't learn how to not coach overnight The players are the problem and it's clear to see

We are not enacting the game plan we trained all summer to do You're not seeing it because the players can't be bothered So look further than the coach and you'll have your answers The players are bludging on the job

Well, at last we agree But you just want to sack the coach