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You can dish it out but can't cop it back

Go back a page and you'll see the relevance A conversation I had with @Lucifers Hero about what powers Goodwin has within the FD

@KozzyCan I noticed that you continually slag off at any number of players on OTHER threads but not on this thread Why is that? Don't want to spoil your own blinkered narrative As for the insults... you started that stuff Still arguing with yourself in the shower?

It's not BS He was put on the bench for the 2021 season ... I never referenced this season Learn how to read posts properly and stop wasting everyone's time

He was told to be on the bench after the 2020 season. And certain responsibilities were given to Yze as a consequence You might want to keep up with things And lose your imbecilic obsession with Goodwin

I tend to agree but wasn't he relegated to the bench after the FD review in 2020? Oddly enough, we won the flag the next year? Go figure But I said it a few months ago on this very thread ... the players rule the roost and we gave them even more leeway in the off-season Bad move as you can't have the cart before the horse Results aside, Goodwin is doing his best Are the players giving their all? Or kicking back waiting for someone else to do the hard yards The danger is that our young players are getting caught up in it all. Watching the senior players not give a yelp How about we thank certain players for the flag and then send them on their way?

If players want to leave they can F.O Get what we can from them in trades We're in for a truckload of losses anyway so we may as well bite the bullet and clear out the deadwood

Let's not forget that Goodwin was relegated to the bench a few years ago and with it, a number of responsibilities were taken away from him Anyway, at least Goodwin is trying his best Can't say the same for the Mercenaries & freeloaders sucking money out of the club (certain players)

Maybe but overhauling the list would involve the FD, not just Goodwin Do you believe that the players have checked out? At least a number of players?

The players checked out early last year, Gorg. Playing for the $$$$'s only All under the watch of Goodwin it must be said, but we have got a real issue with many on the list Need to overhaul the list

The players are frontrunners and we choke on a regular basis. We either can't kick for goal or crumble as soon as any pressure is applied We need to make some tough decisions and change the list over the next 2 off-seasons Effectively, we need to start again as this group of players is incapable of even playing finals Most of all, there's no hunger in their eyes and we have no killer instinct No offence to Chandler but he really shouldn't be a candidate for a top 3 to 5 position in the B & F It's more of an indictment on how far many of our former good players have fallen

Our main issue are our experienced players (namely the premiership players) So it's 70% player personnel issue & 30% coaching These same premiership players are slow, lazy, no hunger, weak at the contest, no edge, low skilled, set in their ways, frontrunners, no fight back qualities, well paid and lack leadership qualities And it's been that way for at least since the 2023 finals As for the coaching, we could change things up but we'd still be left with an group of players who lack self-motivation Need to cut a swathe through the list

The Premiership players are the main issue Gonzo Apart from Gawn, none of them have been anywhere near their best since 2023 Slow, old, unmotivated, lazy, no hunger, weak at the contest, no edge, low skills, set in their ways, etc etc In fact, since Gus was king hit out of the sport we've often looked quite timid Frontrunners with poor fight back qualities. All getting paid well too. Amongst all that, a real lack of leadership qualities We need a clean-out of sorts as previously stated on the rebuild thread back in March By and large, I agree with your post

It all stems back to when we took Fritsch off in the first quarter. Unbelievable

You never give a sucker an even break We are playing well but we need a bury-them mentality. Even at this stage of the season

Why take Fritsch off? It's not like he was gassed Sums up our year Zero common sense

The NFL can't start quickly enough!! So Friday 1st of August (10am) sees the pre-season off and running with the Hall-of-Fame match (Chargers @ Lions)

Poor kicking for goal cost us the win (again) We should have put the game away. Crows were always going to come at us but the buffer wasn't big enough Then the heads dropped and that was that

First of all we need to be switched on and highly motivated Then we have to share the ball with minimum long bombs forward Forwards need to play in front and give multiple leads Kick straight for goal Defensively we need to cut off and curtail Adelaide's offense. Our defence needs to play as a team within the team Recapture our harder edge Win the clearances, use the corridor and go direct Haha! Once upon a time we could do all of the above so fingers crossed Dees by 1 point

The figures talked about in the link below (The $1.5Million - $2Million payout for Goodwin) does not include the 75% luxury tax which would be applied up to $1Million for exceeding the soft cap limit (currently $7.7Million) And most, if not all the clubs spend close to 100% of their soft cap https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-simon-goodwin-contract-pay-out-if-melbourne-demons-fire-him-worst-start-since-2012-jay-clark-report-latest-news/news-story/ba0cb13c915417c671a283d790f44f5a

I agree. Goodwin will almost certainly be coaching next year so we are therefore compelled to give the bloke a group of players who are (first of all) going to be able to listen to simple instructions. And then act on those instructions We need to be ultra aggressive as our current list contains too many players who aren't going to be part of our next premiership Too many stale and unmotivated types with horrible disposal skills Time to slash & burn And if we go all-out at the trade table there's no reason why we can't bring in experienced players as well as young prospects via the draft We might end up paying part salaries for departed players but we'll create space in the salary cap and create list spots But I'm not sure the club realises that we are at crisis point Another option is to sack* the coach and overhaul the list with a new coach or ... sack the coach and keep the same sort of list *with a new coach) But keeping the coach and keeping the current list intact will mean we are treading water and effectively going backwards *Sacking the coach right now is financially problematical. i.e. ... it's going to cost too much (in 2025)

Petracca, Oliver & Viney not being able to adapt to playing a modern style just about sums things up What should have happened with these 3 is they get told about the new game plan once ... and then all 3 get on with the new plan without having to be told again But the problem is that our good players lack football IQ. By contrast, players such as Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Dangerfield, Neale & McCluggage can do on-field coaching and therefore the work of the coach The Lever/May generalship down back is no more as well. Our team within the team (the defence) just isn't what it was Forget the forward line, that area for us is a shambles Midfield? Gawn is no longer the ruck general he once was. Still a top player but he's on the decline Our midfielders just waste their disposals and avoid contact. Once stellar, now bog ordinary

Most (if not all) of our onballers are avoiding contact and the tell-tale signs are the rushed kicks forward What sort of an example is that showing to the new younger players? The thinking would be that why should players put their bodies on the line if they're teammates won't do it Our forwards refuse to play in front and are constantly looking for the cheap one out the back That's why Goodwin keeps dropping JVR, Fritsch, AJ, Jeffo etc etc. Melksham as well at least once this year We've got a much bigger player personnel issue than a coaching issue

Yes but those who are pointing at the membership drop-off are apportioning the blame on Goodwin alone Not a word about the poor efforts from the players. And that includes the players cosying up to the Collingwood players not long after Gus was king hit and forced to retire The players look like they have given up. Apart from Gawn, all our better players have been bog average

Yeah ok, fair enough It's more so McRae who was neat, precise and nearly always found a target with 20-30 metre kicks. Super efficient Goodwin was also a rugged type who went hard at the ball. So contested possessions and contest work has been our fortè (not so much this season)