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So 2 years to get the new game plan into full swing Enjoy the journey, Bub

How long is Goodwin's contract?

We are in the midst of embracing a new game plan and it's going to take some time If the Board want to back Goodwin in they could extend his contract and back the bloke in As a show of good faith

It's sad that you couldn't even enjoy the 2021 flag As for your views on Goodwin, you've probably told us 1000 times We heard you the first time

Give it a rest You are like a broken record Your view is simplistic and your hatred of Goodwin is weird

And it took Mitchell quite a deal of time before his game plan clicked into gear Did it take him 50 games? We had to change and if we look at the 4 midfield draftees that we've brought in over the last 2 off-seasons, maybe the plan started earlier than we thought And of course, we are therefore a work in progress so stability at the top is all-important Trade out those who don't want to be part of it ... and give the coach a good go at it If it goes completely pear-shaped re-evaluate at seasons end

The players can't adapt to a new system and that's the fault of the coach? Maybe we need to identify the players who can't change and reduce their roles and/or trade To just blame the coach is too simplistic. There are complexities at play when adopting a completely new type of offense What we need to do is be patient and watch & wait Right now, I reckon the Board sacking the coach is the furthest thing from their collective minds The Board would know that the coach and the FD are trying to change and they'll also know that Rome wasn't built in a day

We are going to see some player movement over summer but we here were talking about having a successful season with the result being that are top players wanting to stay! That's gone out the window as even winning as much as 8 games looks like a bit of a stretch (although who knows, things can change)

So go to the draft where the kids go where they are picked to go to It's a longer wait but we've got JT

An argument could be put forward that the issues with the new game style is a player issue, not a coaching issue

We are not switched on and it is a player & coaching issue So change is inevitable

I never advocated trading out all 6. You've once again misinterpretted what I actually said Those 6 were candidates only and I talked about 3 or 4 of the 6... not all of them Do you actually read my posts properly? I know they are a bit long sometimes but twice now you've misread what I've said

That could easily change Last season, myself and a few others here were advocating snagging 2 picks in the top 10 ... and it happened The old group isn't going to win our next flag where as a new group of players can win our next flag So we need to let go of the past and start afresh (that could be with a new coach as well) If players absolutely want out, let them go but trade aggressively

You've edited my post and therefore taken my comments out of context So what we could end up doing is being caught up in a rebuild of sorts if 2 or 3 particular players are looking elsewhere at seasons end So by default, without our club initiating proceedings, we can end up in a rebuild of sorts So I'm not advocating cutting to the bone as Richmond have done at all That's you misinterpreting what I've actually said The 2 or 3 players in question are Petracca, Oliver & Kozzie. And there's a chance there might be a couple more lesser lights wanting out ... after all, over the last few seasons we've lost Harmes, Hogan, Baker, Jordon, Bedford etc etc All players have a certain value so we could end up holding a number of picks in the 2025 draft, not necessarily by our design So no need to panic as trading players is a part of the sport Right now, would any of us here not entertain the thought of receiving at a minimum, 2 first round draft picks for either Petracca, Oliver or Kozzie? (actually, 6 first rounders in total if all 3 take off) That's some bounty

Mazu now running on Tuesday after the Saturday meeting was abandoned Same race and same number but the dividend is now 5.50/2.20 (it's a Heavy 9 track I'm still on it

Regardless of the make-up of the team we have to change the way that we play. Pronto But it's not going to be easy as it needs a total buy-in and a new faster, direct and efficient style of offense is a big departure from how we've gone about it previously We practised the new style in the off-season after trying it out in season 2024 and Goodwin is also talking about it now as well To me it's about the big 3 ... Oliver, Petracca & Viney. If we can get those 3 to change, the rest can follow Goodwin has X amount of games to turn this ship around. But if he can do it, he might save his career How many games? I reckon we're going to have to see a change within the 4 games after the Cats clash Snag 2 or 3 wins in that time frame with a quicker and more direct style and we'll be off and running There's also a real chance that we do change (with a buzzing offense) but continue losing

See ball, get ball? At least we'd know that he'd put his body on the line. Front & centre could easily be his go I reckon it's worth a try especially if this season turns out to be a non-finals year and we thus become a team that is looking to the future But can he be productive as a midfielder for the next 4 years? Right now, that looks a big ask

Viney could play as a small forward, down the track Petracca is more suited as a floating half forward type rather than playing out of the goal square (which is now part of the congested zone these days) Nice to see Turner bounce back with 5 goals for Casey, that's what you want to see Max will need help and that help may not be far away. But do we play a 2nd ruck or use JVR or AJ more in the ruck? As for the trade table, it's comforting to know that Taylor has the Midas Touch with regards to the draft So if we lose 2 or 3, I'm not too concerned. Players come and go but to me it's always about the team With further future picks coming into vogue, we can keep going back to the well And sooner or later, in season trading will eventuate We are actually in a strong position with regards to trades. So unless we get what we want, we can hold players to their long term deals Picks 2 or 3 years in advance is something we need to get used to. I reckon that new way of trading will help facilitate trades Here's how I see our future forward line (maybe later this season) If JVR & Turner can become productive forwards, the forward line doesn't look too bad HF ... Fritsch ... JVR ... Petracca/Kozzie F ... Viney/Chin ... Disco/AJ ... Melksham

Yes, there's been just too much noise from the 2 aforementioned players for it not to be realistic outcome But that's ok, you turn it into a positive with the best in the business at identifying young talent (Jason Taylor) And you are right, things can turnaround very quickly especially if all the trading goes to plan You let go of the past and work at the future I'm already looking forward to the new-look team as I don't believe the old group has another flag in them anyway ... 2022 & 2023 was our chance at a 2nd flag (with the same group) Flags are not easy to win and sometimes you have to start again

Oh yeah, the Blues were great back then and their mosquito fleet would be great today As for the Demons, I reckon we've started drating for the future with the 4 first round draft picks in the last 2 off-seasons The net worth is already starting to show especially if the Kolt can get a good run at it. The other 3 all look like they can play to a good level And if a few players want out that have good trade value, trade aggressively I say and get good value coming back Sentiment? Nah, it's all about the team Before we know it, we'll have a new-look team with loads of new talent

@DeeSpencer has some interesting thoughts on how the 2 or 3 deep forwards are used these days (across the league) Often used as decoys and used to create more space across half forward by deliberately taking defenders away from the open space But again, why our Match Committee hasn't addressed our forward line being constantly crowded is baffling It's fairly obvious that it has to be slow ball movement further afield and our obsession with going forward, via the cape That largely explains all the long bombs because why would a midfielder try to pinpoint a pass to a mass of bodies?

If we continue on this trajectory of losing by big margins along with a lowly spot on the ladder, does it then follow that Petracca & Kozzie will request trades? And there might be a couple more (you'd hate to be a forward in our forward line) So what do you get for those 2 aforementioned? 3 or 4 first round picks in the 2025 draft? Along with the 4 first round draft picks in the last 2 seasons that amounts to a lot of picks and by default, a rebuild of sorts (at least)

But what do you do when players like Petracca & Kozzie are looking elsewhere? (and there might be 2 or 3 more looking for greener pastures ... players these days are now openly requesting trades) The trade table ends up being an inevitable outcome. So if both are on the move, don't you want value back? And Oliver? Went off the rails for 2 years but still happily took the $2.8Million What value did we get from Oliver in 2023 & 2024. Would you be happy paying someone that much money for a negligible return? I'll bet not So the circumstances are vastly different to 2007 to 2013 when we went mad on youth and shipped all our experience out If you think it's just the coach (Goodwin) you're wrong. The players look disinterested and they are playing selfish As previously stated, don't let the players off the hook In fact what happens is that when a coach does get sacked it pleases the angry mob for a short time until the next loss ... then the players cop it (from the same angry mob) Rinse & Repeat

JVR might be getting specialist coaching for all we know, but it would be nice to see how he'd go in an open forward line (which I'm not sure he's ever seen as our forward line has remained crowded since the start of the 2022 season) We've got a lot of work to do in order to contend again ... and just sacking the coach isn't going to fix things (IMV) Lots of issues and a lot of those issues can only be achieved at the trade table (Leg speed, foot and hand skills, KPF's, KPB?, Max Replacement, Marking power, Goal kicking power etc etc) Our strength is our backline & midfield quality and depth. In fact, those 2 areas very nearly won us 2 finals in 2023 (our forward line was almost completely decimated by injury in 2023) The big watch is on Petracca & Oliver. At various times both have been top 10 in the league. If we see that again then why would we trade them?

Fantastic news! And with Langford showing his wares yesterday, we can look forward to both players excelling in the colours (this season)