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Regardless of the coaching I reckon we could see a fair bit of player movement in the post season Contracts aside, players these days are often requesting trades. And the club may well facilitate those requests if the trade value is worthwhile Let's face it, the club is in a bit of a mess right now and some players might be looking for greener pastures. And the FD might also want to offload certain individuals anyway I'd be surprised if we aren't a big part of the trading period. Especially if we want to hold a decent hand in the draft

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You know what? I reckon it was a fact but I can't prove it. So I suppose it's just an opinion Anyway, where's my apology?

JVR doesn't lead or present Flies from behind and won't play in front Often attempts marks with one arm He's a better ruckman than a forward but is not much of a ruckman *Opinion*

I did, but my words have been twisted Me saying ... "Goodwin was relegated to the bench" is not a statement of fact, it's an opinion "Goodwin coached from the bench in 2021" is a fact Can that brain of yours figure out what I've just said or is it too hard?

Yes, and that is how it was perceived (by some) at the time Which is what I've been saying. Maybe people have just forgotten but at the same time (2020) there was another thread about Goodwin (Heavy heart et al) and many were welcoming the addition of Yze upstairs with Goodwin on the bench The supporters here wanted change and in the poll on Goodwin about 85% wanted him sacked around the Sept 20 mark. And that is the truth So I wasn't the only one seeing Goodwin on the bench as a demotion. I just can't be bothered trying to find the appropriate threads back then

I'm not your mate, bud My view that Goodwin was demoted was an opinion. Not a fact, but damn close to a fact Your football knowledge wouldn't fit on the back of a postage stamp

IT IS A FACT THAT GOODWIN COACHED FROM UPSTAIRS IN 2020 AND WAS ON THE BENCH COACHING IN 2021 AND IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT YZE WAS MAKING MOVES FROM UPSTAIRS AT THE SAME TIME IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU??? And that was a pea-hearted apology. You can do better than that

Well at the time I saw his move to the bench as a demotion but hey presto, we won the flag so it didn't seem to matter in the end But nonetheless, Yze took over a number of the duties from upstairs as those duties can only be conducted from upstairs By the way, if I could be bothered, there were many comments here back in 2020/2021 about the move involving Goodwin & Yze But everyone could see the change so I don't understand the stupid denial that it didn't happen So Dizzle accuses me of lying when in fact Dizzle is the one who is lying

Any player of any value except a number of youngsters including Langford, Lindsay & Windsor etc Obviously not Gawn, Kozzie and probably May but anyone else? If the right offer came along for most of the others, the club should look at it And there's at least a dozen NQR's clogging up the list. Many are contracted but some clubs might want them There's a merry-go-round of fringe players that end up at other clubs and that won't change. We've got a number of candidates

I don't need to show a source as there isn't one. Not a visible one anyway In 2020 Goodwin coached from upstairs In 2021 Goodwin coached from the bench whilst the newly appointed Yze was calling the shots from upstairs This is a fact. Irrefutable So I see that as demotion or at least having certain powers taken away from the coach That's what I said here originally and I stand by what I said. Mine was an opinion of how I believed Goodwin's role had changed (and it did change) I never quoted any sources If you want to believe that Goodwin's role didn't change from 2020 to 2021 you'll be ignoring the truth So trot off and go and bother someone else By the way, you owe me an apology as I correctly forecast that we'd end up with 2 first round picks in the 2024 draft which included snagging Essendon's first round pick You went off your head and accused me of making stuff up. You got it wrong (as per usual) So show some character and apologise

The game changed and super-fast ball movement along with precision skills is now required We haven't got a list that can play that style Thus, we need to overhaul the list. It's happened quickly too in the space of a few years So whilst we stuck to what we knew for too long, the game has passed us by I don't watch a lot of footy these days but I've caught a few Bulldogs games. They can be lightning quick and Lord knows how we're going to be able to keep up with them Huge off-season coming up but we'll be playing catch-up regardless of who is involved with the FD

Well that's a completely different question and would require an essay in reply (I'm not going to bother as all that stuff has been covered ad nauseum) But as for yesterday, our senior players were the main culprits. They choked And at some stage the players just have to get it done as they can't be coached every minute of a game I'm surprised that you and most others haven't figured it out But there again, the pile on with Goodwin just never stops. Perhaps he should get out there and hold their hands? Poor diddums

We don't have to overhaul the list But in my view, we do need to overhaul the list. Need speed, skills, marking ability up forward and we need to trade out the deadwood We need picks to get back into the draft as we also need more new young talent We probably need 2 key forwards but trying to even get hold of 1 KPF is a task. We need another goal-kicking small forward who can be relied upon The midfield needs a shake up as the old brigade is stale with poor kicking skills And from an overall perspective we have far too many underperformers on the list. Depth is poor as well The ladder doesn't lie ... we are 6 & 13 this year and 7 & 18 from our last 25 games If we had a decent list we'd be winning a lot more games. The list isn't suddenly going to become a winning list without an injection of real talent Forget about what should be, that ship has sailed

There's a fair chance that the first decision made by Smith, Guerra and the Board is whether Goodwin stays or goes. Welcome to the MFC and should we sack the coach? How's that for an opening gambit? Any decision should be made in the off-season as it's only a month away. Right now would be a poor look and reflect badly on the club But if we want to overhaul the list then Goodwin has to be on board with that direction

We can agree to disagree PF

Fair enough, you probably need to call them out when you call out the coach ... as there is a direct connection

Fringe players? I don't see much talent there and there's about 6-8 in the Seniors who are VFL standard as well But I agree that Goodwin has been too loyal to the (so-called) senior players ... but that doesn't give the players an out as they've decided to check out The premiership went to their heads and it didn't help when the club (not Goodwin) decided to offer them long term juicy contracts Chances are we're going to be stuck with a bunch of lame ducks

BECAUSE OF THE PLAYERS PICKET FFS haha

The players are looking after themselves and are a bunch of lazy no-hopers Unless we turn the list over we are in for years of pain. This current group is taking us backwards at a rate of knots

We've won 6 games with a supposedly good list of players. We are chokers And I'm not a Goodwin fan, I just don't see why he should lose his job when the players have turned into lazy bludgers It's you who is letting the players off the hook They are in self-preservation mode and it's clear to see The flag went to their heads

I don't care what you've got to say. I usually skim past your posts And you keep quoting me bud, I'm just replying You've just chucked in your membership all because you don't like the coach How childish

Don't punish the club because you're dissatisfied with the coach If you get your wish, he'll be gone soon enough anyway I'm totally dissatisfied with the players efforts but won't be becoming a non-member justbbecause they've laid down the tools (and they have) Here's how it goes ... most of the angst goes against the coach but if the coach is sacked the ire goes to the players And we aren't going to start winning in a hurry with a new coach so the players can expect the full barrage if we don't start winning Not individual players either, all of them

On who's authority? Yours? The same person has just spat the dummy and relinquished his membership Where's the cred?

Rubbish Don't you ever tire of correcting people. The demonland resident Mr. Correction But this time you are wrong but won't admit it Goodwin had a different role in 2021 and that's a fact. And Yze was calling the shots from upstairs. Fact Give it up Laddie, you're cooked on this argument and have been found out again Stick to the gossip and your worshipping of Caro & Cornes And you don't get to decide when a discussion point is over. Who do you think you are?