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I text our 3 picks (Eurack, Bye See & Don't Give A Damn) out to a number of mates who love a bet. One mate cleaned right up but he likes my trifecta's. Another just did the Rosehill double (Bye See & Don't Give A Damn) because he didn't know how to put on a Racing multi. I heard back from 2 who were kicking themselves whilst another 3 have been oddly quiet. ha ha! That'll learn 'em!

Ha ha! I'm often suspicious when a trainer has multiple horses in a race (especially the Group races) The Hayes clan often produces a lightweight winner from nowhere. And that's been going on for decades. And would you ever trust a jockey? Punters have a love/hate relationship with nearly all the successful ones. It's all good fun though as long as one bets smart and never to excess. We're all looking for the big payout and why not?

Saturday's are going to be busy on this thread by the looks of it ... and the Autumn carnival hasn't even kicked off yet! And believe it or not, I'm really looking forward to the European season (early May through to our Spring) All the big races (2 or 3 every weekend) are posted up on youtube hours later (the quality of the uploads are often first rate too) I'll be in trifecta heaven when those races come around!

Yeah it does ... there are no substitutes. I also reckon by going away from the Melbourne races (when it suits) give us a better chance of winning. For instance, my 3 favourite courses to have a bet are Rosehill, Randwick & Flemington. And I probably prefer Ascot to Caulfield ... Moonee Valley has returned mixed results. Of course I do love all the big Group races from anywhere. But I can see myself finding those best bets from outside of the big Group races. Trifecta's preferred in the big races (mainly because of the depth of winning chances)

I've always thought that there is a lot of 'knowledge' about that us mug punters never hear about. There is no sure-fire system but I like to eliminate a lot of the doubt involved. The less doubt the better. And that's why I'm going to do 3 doubles within a 3 pick multi ... each way is probably not the way to go because of the negligible odds we're going to get for the place for any of these best bets. Same for a 4 leg multi (4 trio's within that 4 pick) ... again, that's my way as I can't see any of us finding a best bet that is good each way value. Unless we do of course and then the place dividend does comes into it. That way you don't have to worry too much about cashing out as you've already picked up at least 1 'Double' within a 3 pick multi. Or a trio in a 4 pick multi.

It's early doors Wadda ... we'll get ourselves organised over time. No rush. I've seen enough today to see us getting some decent collects. I got 2 collects today and if I hadn't have cashed out on one of them I would have had a very very good day. No regrets though as I worked out a way to do it all in the future (see post above) But that's my way ... each individual can do as he or she sees fit. Obviously we're all going to see 1 best bet as the week goes on but in the end I could see 3 or 4 because of your suggestions and D77's suggestions. Maybe we could all put our 1 best bet out there and then another one after everyone has had their go ... the decent fixed odds need to be snapped up early though by the looks of it. Just about everything we liked shortened from Friday evening onwards (re fixed odds)

With multi's at the TAB we haven't got the option of 'Each-Way' so you have to painstakingly put separate bets on - or, ring them and ask them to put all the configurations on. I've arrived at doing it a different way - I'm banking on getting 2 from 3 winners or 3 from 4 winners so will do a series of separate bets for the win only. e.g. we arrive at 3 best bets over the course of the week. I will then put all 3 on for the win in a multi and any 2 of the 3 for the win only as well (a double) If we end up with 4 picks or if I want to add another to the 3 I will repeat the same process but have 'saver' bets on 3 of the 4. In a nutshell we identified 6 best bets today (in a roundabout way) ... Eurack (W) Snitty Kitty (2nd) Bedford (W) Bye See (W) Don't Give A Damn (W) and Dainty Tess (yet to run) All 6 were 'reinforced by at least one of us other than the person who originally identified the best bet. I'm not going to count 'From Within' in the 1st at Rosehill as I thought it was only each way value.

Well both @Demon77 and myself like Dainty Tess to win (best of luck with that multi D77) but I also like 'Volkoff' at odds to feature. You could work a Tri from that Wadda but don't forget to include 'Caipirinha' ... Ascot Race 6 Yeah I've had a decent day - hopefully you and Wadda can both win late. Don't Give A Damn could now well be set for the Doncaster Hcp ($3Million) ... it kicked away in impressive fashion at the top of the straight.

@Wadda We Sing ... yeah dipped out on the Tri in the Expressway. Got one going at Ascot in the Scenic Blast Stakes (7pm) and another in the Centenary Vase at Sha Tin tomorrow (5pm) It's always nice to have a 'saver' but I can see these 3 race multi's/Parlay's being reasonably profitable. You prefer the 3 race parlay's from memory. I got one today so it's been a decent day. And it isn't over yet! Don't Give A Damn is into 2.40

Yeah as soon as Ace High was at the tail of the field you knew it probably couldn't win - 'needed the run' by the looks of it. Global Glamour was run out of a place anyway so I was way off with that trifecta. Cashed out on 1 of my 2 live multi's (Eurack, Bedford & Bye See) but it could be an even better day if 'Don't Give A Damn' salutes. Thanks for the heads up on 'Eurack' & 'Bye See' fellas ... reinforcing a 'best bet' seems to be a good addition to our system.

Eurack did it on the bit ... very impressive!

You need your eyes everywhere following the races D77 ... had standout/best bet written all over it! And the tri paid 172 with the fav winning in a 6 horse field. 'Fiesta' looked impressive winning the Widden Stakes at Rosehill.

I like both Snitty Kitty & Bedford Wadda It's too late now but I didn't see 'From Within' as a standout ... will only mention horses from here on in that do standout (like 'Bye See' & 'Don't Give A Damn) Like your thinking there with those quinella's ... we've got quite an array of choices when we include 'Eurack' and those that you have mentioned. By the looks of it both @Demon77 and myself like Dainty Tess at Ascot later on too (Race 6)

'From Within' never threatened. Never looked like it.

Could be a case of great-minds-think-alike there D77 ... there's some comfort in a horse shortening in the market! I haven't done multi's or W & P all that often lately so the shortening of the odds is quite noticeable ... the Tote odds are still reasonable so maybe it's a case of waiting a few hours. I can put my trifecta's on at least. With the multi's I'm probably just going to do a few 3 pick multi's for the win. Each way as well on our Best Bet line-up. And I've got Dainty Tess on top along with a bit of value in 'Volkoff' (12-1 on the Tote - 18-1 Fixed) Volkoff is meeting Caipirinha 3kgs better from their last encounter.

Kopi Lewak is out of Race 5 The fixed odds have come in a bit (in a general sense) ... I'll wait for a bit before putting my multi's on.

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The race could feature a blanket finish. And there might be a bit of give in the ground with rain forecast for most of the morning. As much as I'm liking the parlay/multi/best bet concept I do like my trefecta's D77... going all over the place this weekend too (Caulfield, Rosehill, Ascot, Sha Tin) All feature races (Group/Listed) and all smallish fields. Just the way I like it. The Manfred Stakes (Race 8 Caulfield), Scenic Blast Stakes (Race 6 Ascot) & The Centenary Vase (Race 3 Sha Tin - Sunday) all look to be good betting races despite the fields being small. Along with the Expressway Stakes (Race 7 Rosehill) of course. The W J Adams Stakes (Race 6 Caulfield) has an odds on favourite running (Snitty Kitty) and if it wins the race the Trifecta may not pay a great deal.

The topweight (Top Striker) is out as well now ... although it was a 100-1 shot and the other horses won't have to worry about getting around it! Ace High is still not liked ... 17-1 seems overs even if the trip is a bit short. I had settled on Global Glamour & Goodfella as my 2 to win (in a 2 - 5 - 5 multiple trifecta) but I'm putting Ace High in as the replacement for Goodfella. Thronum won last Friday night's Australia Stakes starting at 5-1 in a 6 horse field - yet the Trifecta paid $244. Australian Group & Listed Races

Now I'm going to have to do the same The punters lament indeed D77! I will be more circumspect next week!

I've made up my mind as well ... Best Bet - Rosehill Race 9 No.8 Don't Give A Damn I'm probably going to multi up our combination 'Each Way' and then have a bit on the combo to win only in a separate bet. If we only end up with 3 best bets that's ok - we all have the option of adding on to the combo if we so wish. I like your choice @Demon77 ... as you said, 'Eurack' has put in 3 outstanding efforts for it's 3 runs.

Gee it adds up doesn't it? Had a look at Caulfield tonight and there's a few there that might stand out. But I'm more interested in others thoughts with that meeting. 'Don't Give A Damn' was very impressive last time it ran and ran a slick time over the 1400m (1:21.86) But the Trainer (Danny Williams) says the horse is looking for a mile (it could be set for a Doncaster Mile run) I do like it over the 1300m this time around though (against this lot) - and it has drawn well for a horse that will be ridden forward. 'Bye See' is probably my 2nd pick now over 'Kopi Lewak'. I'll probably put my best bet in tomorrow night.

Leaderboard in the Comp (post-season) 7 - Clintosaurus, Macca 6 - Go the Biff 4 - Dappa Dan 3 - JV7, Gorgoroth I really should be picking the Pats to win as that's who I would pick if I had to put money on the game. But to make it interesting and because I really would like the Eagles to win I'll go for an historic Philadelphia victory. Eagles 24 Pats 21

In the Expressway Stakes I found 5 or 6 horses out the 8 horse field that can win (the same 6 horses that you mentioned) Looking forward to the race though D77 - the race might paint a bit of a picture for a number of the runners down the track. Being 1200m at WFA opens up a number of future possibilities. The C F Orr Stakes works in a similar manner (more so the upcoming 1600m & 2000m Group races in the Autumn calendar) The smaller quality fields are often really hard to decipher ... and that's why the trifecta can still pay $250 or more. The First 4 the same. It's interesting the things one gets told that gets remembered ... for instance, pure WFA horses that drop back to the handicap races or Group 3 or Listed races. Those 7th & 8th placings being 2 or 3 lengths off the winner in WFA races can therefore read as good form. As an example, you picked up on a former Group runner in 'Lite'n in My Veins' in one of the Zephyr races (it ran 2nd) Burning Front was another example a few weeks back (when it won)

My way of finding a standout horse (whether it works or not is highly questionable Wadda ) is to first of all work from the bottomweight up (or the last horse listed in any given field) And I usually only ever look at Group Races/Listed Races. I then start grading the horses as follows ... N ........ No MP ..... Maybe a Place P ........ Place PW ..... Should Place, Might Win WP .... Can Win, At least a Place W ....... Should Win I tried it with a number of the Rosehill Races and then thought I'd throw a few picks out there to see what others thought. It gets tough finding a standout when I start finding multiple horses that should win! My best bet won't be coming from the Expressway Stakes or from Caulfield. Will probably do a few Tri's in the Manfred Stakes & The W J Adams Stakes though (as well as the Expressway Stakes) With regards to my initial picks at Rosehill I marked 'Don't Give A Damn' & 'Kopi Luwak' on top then 'Bye See' then 'From Within' ... and they've predicted a bit of rain for Sydney on Saturday too (clearing up as the day goes on) Right now the track is a Good 4.