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If we use our 4 best bets as an example of going one-out, I would have taken a punt on Santos & Aloft but included a couple more with 'Care to Think' & Alizee. I would had Shoals in the Alizee race but not 'Crack Me Up' in the 'Care to Think' race (I didn't even have Crack Me Up in my top 5 in that race - hindsight says I should have, of course) I'll work something out but if not, I'll just stick to my trifecta's. For instance, a $40 quadrella = 3 or 4 separate trifecta's in terms of outlay. In the end, we punt the way we feel comfortable with.

I see ... so it's best to take a couple of others to win (as well as the raging favourite) in a race like the Challenge Stakes (where Redzel is already the 1.50 favourite) and hope that Redzel gets beaten. That principle would have worked in the Lightning Stakes as long as Redkirk Warrior is included as a winner. Sounds like a plan.

I had the other one (Shumookh) but the winner was overs (Shoals 12-1) and the 2nd horse (Torvill) was also good value (17-1) ... I liked Shoals because I like giving the good horses a 2nd chance and if I recall correctly, you had it marked as a winner a few weeks ago in the Kevin Hayes Stakes. So thanks! The class horses can let you down (Care to Think, Alizee) but they can just as quickly bounce straight back. Speaking of which, Dixie Blossoms looked a class above in that win on Saturday. All that racing against top company was a telling factor. And as I'm quickly discovering, you still have to stick your neck out with the quaddies ... the same principle applies to trifectas but having 3 of my multiple (3 - 5 - 5) to win always puts me at ease ... 2 horses only to win just doesn't work (for me at least) Australian Group & Listed Races

Well, I think I've got a strategy for next Saturday but might take the safer quaddie option of the Sydney races Wadda ... I've always liked the smaller fields anyway and that's how I've usually done my trifectas (smaller fields) There's some great racing coming up at both Flemington & Randwick so we'll once again see a lot of the good horses running around. Ace High is again up against Kementari & Pierata in the Randwick Guineas (1600m) and that race will be an interesting affair. And Redzel looks like it's a starter in the Challenge Stakes (1000m) Currently showing 1.50!

That is a good day binman ... I also got the Trifecta in the 8th race in Melbourne as well as in the 7th at Randwick. The initial dividend showed a 1500 payout in race 7 but because of the tie for 3rd, the dividend quickly went down to 745. Needless to say I was tad annoyed. That's a well thought out early quaddie ... I may try and do the same and try and identify at least one leg being a one-out or perhaps do as you've done with that early quad - 2 x one-out's.

Big Weekend coming up in both Sydney & Melbourne with 4 Group 1 events (Australian Cup, Newmarket Handicap, Randwick Guineas & Canterbury Stakes) Next Sunday Canberra hosts the Black Opal Stakes whilst the Adelaide Cup is on next Monday. Australian Group & Listed Races Here are the replays of last year's Australian Cup & Newmarket Handicap ...

Good points Wyl. Young people have so many choices with regards to 'live' sport these days that you'd have to wonder where Test cricket fits in. As an aside, there's the wane in popularity in the NBL based on (IMO) all the NBA games being beemed in. Yet, basketball has a high participation rate as a junior sport.

The cricketing public of South Africa haven't come back to Test cricket (re crowds at the games) since their team returned to Test cricket in the early 90's. Perhaps the TV numbers are big much like the TV numbers are big in the sub continent. Of all the sports that have become TV sports, Test cricket is the one. Day-night tests might help and we might eventually see 'coloured uniforms' as a way of attracting more to the sport. For me the sport is just fine as it is but I'm in that 'dinosaur' bracket so I'm not really the future. For the overall good, Test cricket needs to be spruced up Wyl.

I figured that as that's how most quaddie punters seem to operate ... whenever I contemplate a quaddie I nearly always look at the last leg first and then become unstuck. The last race is often a bit of a lottery. Might be different in Sydney with the smaller fields though. There's an idea! Or ... I might have to just painstakingly do a series of multis involving multiple horses in each leg (with the odd one-out leg) Thanks for the feedback all the same Wadda - I'm a trifecta punter at heart. It's my preferred way of betting and because the bets are on individual races, my interest never drops off. I'm even having a go at race 7 at Wagga today!

Not much happening overnight or tomorrow but I did find a half-decent betting race at Wagga Wagga tomorrow ... Country Championship Qualifier 1400m SW 150k (4.40pm)

Here are the 3 Group 1's run today (Chipping Norton, Australian Guineas & Surround Stakes) ...

Yep ... the tried & true trifectas are my bread & butter D77. I got 2 good collects & 2 small collects but the races involved were those races that included our best bet tips or a race that we've talked about extensively (Race 8 Flem) . So the best bets are working in a roundabout way for me. I'm probably going to look at quaddies instead of multis with our picks. I've never really been a quaddie punter but the best bets are perhaps better used that way. Both Sydney & Melbourne have early quads as well as the traditional quads and our best bets (and other horses we fancy) fall into those quaddie areas. I'll probably still multi the 4 picks because we'll snag it sooner or later. Just a thought. And well done on the Scarecrow collect! Yep, and those winners should see us finding a way to turn a profit. So Wadda, do you have a favoured way of doing your quaddies (a system?) or do you just work it out as you see fit?

Tell me about it Wadda Came home strong with another trifecta at Flemington (race 8) ... would have been a big big day if 'Care to Think' salutes. Probably the same story for the other best bet punters. The thread picked out quite a few winners on the day ... Santos, Nomothaj, Aloft, Hear the Chant & Dixie Blossoms all saluted. We also made mention of Secret Agenda & Grunt. It's just a matter of working out how to turn those picks into a profitable exercise.

It's all pointing in that direction DJ but next up is the George Ryder Stakes (1500m - G1) in 3 weeks and then 3 weeks after that she should run in the $4Million Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) on April 14. Then it's onto the 3 big races in Europe, all going well. The Queen Anne Stakes at Royal Ascot over the 1600m is first on the agenda but I'm not sure of the other 2 races. We'll find out sooner or later.

Bad luck with Alizee - not her day. Couldn't get going. Picked up a decent percentage of the lesser trifecta in the race so can't complain. That is an impressive win by Grunt ... Rosehill Guineas is next (possibly) Big future for the horse regardless.

Winx absolutely supreme although the horse didn't have much to beat ... it has come back as good as ever. Next up for Winx is the George Ryder Stakes (March 24)

It was drawn out wide but as you said, the jockey could have pushed it towards the leader early ... looked like he was looking for cover but it didn't work. Of course, we need these best bets to win so 2nd is no real consolation.

I thought the horse had every chance ... the winner was too good. 'Care to Think' just didn't have the same finishing speed like it has shown previously. Something was amiss even though it didn't run badly.

It had better not win!

Before today Wadda our record was ... 15: 10 - 3 - 0 It's now ... 17: 12 - 3 - 0

My mate gets good mail ... the tips aren't frequent but they rarely miss. It was a real surprise to get 2 tips (the other tip Seattle Park goes in race 5)

Not so easy that time but we're now 2 from 2 ! The jockey only pushed Santos late in a slowly run race. There's some improvement to come with the horse.

Aloft did it easily ... that's 1 from 1 !

Ok ... we're all set! Here are the 4 best bets ... Flem Race 2 No.2 Aloft (2.50) Rand Race 3 No.2 Santos (2.10) Rand Race 5 No.3 Care to Think (2.90) Rand Race 7 No.2 Alizee (2.35) Combined odds 35-1 (the 4 trebles are paying from $12 up to $17) Good luck to all !

Good choice D77 ... Alizee won well at its last start and the extra distance suits - she won at Group 1 level in the Spring over 1600m & also won at Group 2 level over this distance (1400m) in the same time period. Primed for this one. My choice (Care to Think) has drifted in the betting (out to 2.90) but its opening price was very skinny, all the same. Her finishing speed in the last 200 is eye-catching. Out of the 3 best bets I like Santos as the best of the best! As always, it will be interesting to see which horse @binman comes up with to complete the quartet.