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With the recent addition to the racing calendar of the 'All Star Mile' & 'The Golden Eagle', we now have 18 Group 1's (or equivalent) worth between $1.5Million & $15Million in prizemoney. By World standards that is phenomenal for a country of our size & population. Here's the top 10 $15.0Million - The Everest $8.6Million - Melbourne Cup $7.5Million - Golden Eagle $5.0Million - Cox Plate $5.0Million - Caulfield Cup $5.0Million - All Star Mile $4.0Million - QEII Stakes $3.5Million - Golden Slipper $3.0Million - Doncaster Mile $2.5Million - TJ Smith Stakes Plus, we have another 3 x $2Million races that come under the Magic Millions & Inglis banners. As well as that there are 5 other Group 1's that are worth $2Million including the Sydney Cup. Speaking of which, 'Etymology' won the Australia Day Cup at Warwick Farm today and is now being set for the Sydney Cup. The horse has found a rich vein of form and is a Blackbooker. Read more here ... Etymology too strong in Australia Day Cup

What an odd scoreline in the Pro Bowl. Anyone watch it?

The best value for each pick boosts up the odds ... it's good when what should happen, does happen. PSG have scored heavily all season and they nearly always win. So the +3.5 Goals paying $2.15 was a logical pick. So was DZ's pick with Roma ... but for some inexplicable reason they give up a 3 - 0 lead. Sheer bad luck as things like that very rarely happen. Man City, Barca & Juventus are 3 other teams that can be relied upon. Liverpool as well? Knowing we only have to come up with 1 pick does make one focus. It's my reckoning that the 1 pick can often jump out at you. I know you like the bigger multi's Wadda and than can still happen using the collective 3 picks as a base.

Brisbane as a venue is 5th in preference with a decent gap to 4th (Perth) Mainly because they can't pull a decent crowd up there for the test matches and haven't done so for quite some time.

I still believe the 3pick will deliver collects ... and where it's different to the horses is that the contests are 2 horse races (pardon the pun!) Finding 1 winner each shouldn't be too difficult and the collective odds can still be quite good. And we can add-on as we see fit. And it's not like it costs much ... it's more opportunity lost rather than opportunity cost. But winning is winning DZ and no likes losing.

I had 'Anderlecht' as my back-up choice and they duly saluted as well. So went very close but no cigar

Time to reload as the Neo's dipped out

We're trialing the 3pick only so 1 best bet is enough Wadda. As individuals, we can add-on as we see fit to make it a 4pick or bigger. Just for a while to see if it works. The thinking is that we as individuals will often have a standout pick for the weekend ... I tried it with mates but they kept putting up 2 or 3 picks each so it didn't work. Multiple options just confuses things. So it is 1 pick only with no optional picks. Exactly the same as the racing best bet. Again, it's just a trial mate - we can go back to having 2 choices each whenever we like. Anyway, I'm on the 'NEREOCA' (the Neo's?) with the other 2 picks and got 21-1 (enhanced)

Over to you @Wadda We Sing for the clincher! n.b. The 2 other picks quoted above are for games to be played on Monday morning

I haven't watched a lot of A League but I watched tonight's game and it was quite entertaining. The 1st goal was a ripper. Overall coverage was excellent.

That horse is a mare ... I'd rather come back as an entire. A Group 1 performing entire. They can retire me as a triple crown winning 3 year old because we all know what comes next. Actually, in theory, that 'entire' lifestyle sounds quite exciting. Where do I sign up? ?

Former Australian galloper and last year's QLD Derby winner 'Dark Dream' is contesting the G1 Hong Kong Classic Mile tomorrow ... won it's last start up there in a good grade by 4.5 lengths. The HK Mile is obviously much tougher but it has been installed as favourite. The race is for 4yo's only which is the Derby age in HK. The preceding race (Centenary Vase) will be a keenly contested affair as well - some old favourites are running around again but it's looks a trifecta race with at least 3 winning chances out of the 9 runners. Group 1 Hong Kong Mile Group 3 Centenary Vase Best Bet Strike Rate 78: 30 - 12 - 12 Australian Group & Listed Races

Monday Morning France Ligue1 07.00am $2.20 PSG Win (+3.5 Goals Match Score) vs Rennes

Endless Drama blows the start and then Tom Melbourne wins. What are the odds? That's racing! Good old Tom still has his supporters though - started at 4-1.

I'm newly rusted on to Laddies so I'm not sure what the TAB offers now DZ Going straight out on KC wouldn't have been all that different anyway in terms of the odds offered ... and lets face it, the 3rd pick should have saluted anyway. But sometimes the close one and the luck goes the other way and you get the win.

While I've got ya, on the Monkey Business thread DZ and myself have been trying out a 3pick only ... I pick each if it's just the 3 of us. I cashed out on the first 2 picks last week for a handy collect for the cost of 3 coffees. I then reloaded on the 3rd pick in another multi but dipped out ... but, most importantly, the collect was there to get on the board. Not sure what DZ did but he might have let it ride. And but for a line of scrimmage infraction in the NE/KC match, we would have snagged 3 from 3 at 20-1.

Leg 1 on the board ... you're back with gusto Wadda! But this ain't no picnic, we need 2 more for the collect! Best Bet Strike Rate (running tally) 76: 30 - 12 - 11 Australian Group & Listed Races

These are open forums Wadda so I welcome all views ... doesn't mean I'm going to always agree though. Often the best way to arrive at the truth is to open things up for discussion.

Ha! Sporting arguments fall into the same area as religious & political discussions. Endless drama indeed. Anyway, with Coral Bay drifting a tad I ended up getting 58-1 (boosted) As always, fingers crossed. There are a few races that I'm interested in today ... more so the Blue Diamond Preview's. But just watching (no bets on the 2yo's) with a view to the future. Welcome back Wadda

Very impressive again by Whispering Brook in the Australia Stakes ... beat a crack field and the horse is a winner. Running excellent times too so the horse could have a decent Autumn.

Horses are a breed of animal that were born to run (and jump) ... they've been on this earth in some form for over 50 million years. Humans for about 250,000 years. The human and the horse became ideal partners as a transportation device. Later on we started racing them. Natural progression/natural selection. What happened was always bound to happen. It comes under the 'Stands to Reason' banner. Before the car it was the horse. The pig is a slaughter animal. So is the sheep, chickens, beef cattle, goats, etc etc etc. We eat them as a matter of course. Some cultures eat dogs & cats. Some even eat Kangaroos and crocodiles (Aussies) The indigenous Australians ate Koala's. Maybe they still do. You live off the land, that's what you do. By comparison, the horse gets treated quite well. If we didn't ride or race horses we'd probably just eat them. So it's ride & race or eat. You wouldn't keep a horse as a household pet unless there was a equestrian aspect to the whole thing. It is estimated that about 250,000 cats & dogs are put down in Australia each year. Unwanted pets by everyday Australians. Yes, I broaden arguments. Because it's necessary. Context and all sides of an argument is my specialty. Anyway, I reckon I'd rather be a horse if I wasn't a human. The gambling aspect is a tricky one ... many punters are addicted and often punt badly as a consequence. But if gambling on the horses was banned it would go underground immediately. The key is to bet with expendable income only and then bet smart. Or not bet at all. On this thread I push the agenda of the best against the best. Group racing is at the forefront of my thinking - not the 7th at Moe. Overseas Group racing as well. The gambling aspect has a direct association obviously but it's not at all like the mindless poker machine industry. Not even close. You could ban poker machines but then the roads North would be filled with Pokies people heading for the border. Nationwide - maybe. But what are the chances? I overreacted as well and have deleted my reply also. Apologies.

Numerous people spend their entire lives devoted to a footy club ... lots of money invested (over time - tens of thousands of dollars), countless hours with an emotional investment that is endless. And if you're a demon fan you might spend up to 10 or 20 hours per week reading and contributing on this site. And for the last 54 years - no big wins (premierships) zilch. Now that is what I'd call a gamble. A very very big gamble. And if you're under 60 years old - no return. And I don't have a problem with that as I'm one of those Demon supporters. So it's a bad thing to have a flutter at the races with the chance of actually winning something? Half their luck I say.

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And a few more feature races to look out for tomorrow Blue Diamond Preview C & G (Caulfield) Blue Diamond Preview Fillies (Caulfield) John Dillon Stakes (Caulfield) Carrington Stakes (Randwick) Sunshine Coast Cup (Sunshine Coast)

Decent sort of field in the Australia Stakes tonight DZ Especially in comparison to the corresponding race last year where there were only 6 acceptors in a race won by 'Thronum' ... the 'All Star Mile' is definitely on the radar for any number of horses that can run a decent 1200m up to a mile whilst a few 2000m WFA performers can drop back to the mile as well. My preference in the gallops is watching the best of the best go at each other and it all starts tonight by the looks of it. Hope you back a winner!