Macca

Good show, worth a look Viceland possibly has 'On demand' much like SBS

@layzie @Gorgoroth @DemonDave @Dr. Gonzo @JV7 @Dappa Dan @titan_uranus @DeeSpencer @Clintosaurus @Dee Zephyr @Go the Biff Apologies for the late posting this week ... I blame the government! We now have a sole leader in the tipping comp - former winner Clintosaurus The question is, can we catch him? Just the 1 point on offer this week but a total of 11 points are still available for the remainder of the regular season (week 16 is now worth 2 points) Leaderboard - Tipping Comp 10 - Clintosaurus, 8 - titan_uranus 6 - Go the Biff, DemonDave, DeeSpencer, Gorgoroth, Macca 5 - JV7 4 - Dee Zephyr 3 - layzie 1 - Dr. Gonzo n,.b The Steelers/Ravens is now to be played on Sunday

Good As for the rest of it, let's agree to disagree

That racism is often disguised? It is, especially on the internet. Footballers are often vilified by anonymous figures online and we've had numerous threads about the subject matter on the footy boards here. And it will happen again and I will be making comment ... hopefully you do the same My views on racism are very real and reflect the truth Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity What did you think about the online vilification of Harley Bennell in July? The perpetrators were online & anonymous

The club needs any number of good people working well in their positions and then working well together So it isn't just the coach It's the Board, the CEO, the GM, the Head Coach, the Assistant Coach (Mentor, Right hand man) The Chief Recruiter (and his assistants), the List Manager & Player welfare personnel The Line Coaches, Midfield, Forward, Clearance & Stoppages Coaches, Skills coaching, the Captain and the list of players A good list of players too (all desperate for success) Good culture is of paramount importance as well Put it all together and success should come our way. But in the end if you haven't got enough talent you won't win

I see the list as being capable of finishing anywhere from 12th to 6th. There are so many variables that it's near impossible to accurately predict where we'll end up 6th might mean a great run with injuries and a functioning forward line with Brown and one other KF firing. Also performing well when we're supposed to. A reasonable ask And as for 12th, most of you know the drill But I can't see top 4 unless we make a quantum leap I believe we're 5 or 6 good/top players short of being a consistent top 4 side (taking into account injuries, coaching and mixed form) Not doomsday as we can play finals but we're not a threat. We are a work in progress I watched all the finals and we've got a bit to overcome to reach top 4 level

No prior has also been talked about but that could create other issues such as who would want to take possession of the ball? To my mind the game would be so much easier to umpire if there was less congestion And that's the other issue with congestion - there is so much going on in and around the ball that those viewing get increasingly frustrated But again, we're getting conditioned with the congestion to a point where many don't mind it at all. The lower scores sees less blowouts which keeps the viewers watching. Maybe that's why they aren't taking drastic action to opening the game up. And there's a lot they could do but the changes seem cosmetic to me. For a reason LDvC?

So you labelled me a leftie years ago and I'm now labelling you an alt-right 'type' 4 years late See that's the way you alt-right types work ... it's all confrontational but you screech like banshees when it comes back at you. Bit soft Do you even understand what hypocrisy is?

You did it to me early on in this discussion so you're just getting it back Quit your moaning

You're wrong ... it's quite ok to critique all sides of politics. I should know, I've done it all my life Left wing governments in this country get in the way of me running my small business. Too much bureaucracy, red tape, taxes, rules & regulations etc etc So I'm more inclined to vote right but not alt-right (like you do) You're just stuck in the us versus them mentality. And you will never change You're narrow-minded and you've been that way from a young age. Brainwashed by political idealism's (like many on the left or right) Anyway, just a reminder that you lost the presidency but hopefully the Republicans can come up with a worthy candidate next time. Do that and they can return to the White House

Reckon dieter has covered the Trump racism exceptionally well (thanks dieter) And you just continue to deflect ... it's quite pathetic really. You talk like a politician ... the very thing you detest about politics I don't even know why I bother with people like you ... you're beyond help But you go ahead and embrace the alt-right (lets face it, you refuse to condemn the alt-right)

Most want positional football, I'd say a large majority. I reckon if we had that on a consistent basis most would be satisfied That can be the goal but to get there is tricky. To me they should trial & error new rules through the 2nd tier. As they used to do And they are doing that by the looks of it with regards the stoppages/players in the arc ruling And the percentage of dissatisfied football goers & watchers is increasing year by year. Those people need to be listened to. I can remember a time when the only people who moaned about footy were non footy fans.

The discussion here could be condensed down to those who don't really have an issue with the modern game vs those that do But those that do have an issue with the aesthetics can be lost to the sport ... and there are far too many complaining for it to be a non issue But even a congested version of the sport is better to watch than many other sports So why can't we have a great version that pleases everyone? (like it used to do) I'm not holding my breath on a real fix but there are any number of things that could be implemented to open up the game 1. Less players on the field (16 a side) 2. Way less rotations or no rotations (soccer & union don't have rotations at all) 3. Zones for forwards & backmen (attuned to stoppages) 4. A shot clock 5. Bonus point for an achieved score (80 points? 100 points?) 6. No boundary throw-ins (last player to touch the ball etc) 7. Backwards kicks can't be claimed as a mark 8. Length of kick increased to 20 metres for a claimed mark 9. More free kicks played ... throws outlawed more stringently and no prior is also an option. Throw the ball up immediately regardless of nominated ruckmen. Get on with it in other words I am not advocating that we do all of the above but at least a few of the above measures wouldn't hurt I now view the sport as a defensive sport only but not everyone will be able to make that switch. Some who switch off may not come back The sport needs to be grown, not become a battle between those with different tastes

Good call ... perhaps a matchwinning call as well. Equivalent to kicking 2 or 3 goals straight after half time to break the deadlock Out to a 2 point lead with titan 2 points behind and the rest of us at least 4 points behind Still, 11 more points available in the next 6 weeks so there's a bit to play out The rest of us need to take some risks I'm reckoning

But racists aren't up front are they? They hide their racism and they do it well. Clever, but easily seen through. Or should I say, they think they are clever. Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity How about I just point to the 10's of millions that have labelled him a racist ... in fact, white Supremacist gets bandied about a lot as well For the life of me, I don't understand why you continue to defend Trump. As previously stated, you must really hate the left with a passion At some stage you will try and disassociate yourself from Trump but it won't work You're stuck with him for life

I wouldn't rule anything out with the Trump family and Ivanka vs Kamala would be an interesting possible match-up As for Trump hatred, what's there to like? No redeeming features that I can see although I can see how he can appeal to numerous others. I mean, you wouldn't have him as a mate would you? Interesting for about 10 minutes and then everyone is looking for the exit sign (when's he gonna shut up?)

You don't know? What!? To me, he is an obvious racist (anyway) and tens of millions (perhaps hundreds of millions) agree with me Are they all wrong or do the 10's of millions just misunderstand the man en masse ... I use the word 'man' loosely because he's not a 'real' man. And by the way, this election was decided upon racial lines and Trump had no Trump card to play this time He lost by a big margin in the end. And he still can't come to terms with losing. Sooks will do that

It tells me that Trump has amazing magnetism & charisma. That cannot be denied dieter. He'll be back in some form, make no mistake. Trump TV could easily surface and that's my bet. And who wouldn't watch it? (What did Trump say tonight?) Even the far left can't stop looking at Trump. As for being the leader of the Republicans I'm not so sure it would satisfy the man. It's one thing being in charge but in opposition? If he wants it, it's his, but he craves the limelight & the adulation He needs an audience He is not going away in a hurry but at least he won't be occupying the oval office.

To the victor go the spoils (unless Trump somehow believes he can win California or New York - voter fraud, voter fraud!!, what happened to my Russian friends!!)

I was totally anti Trump back in 2016 He won and I copped it fair & square because I believe he won fair & square Same as Biden won fair & square but you are clinging on to your ridiculous notion (backed up by the white supremacist himself - Trump) that voter fraud was the reason Trump lost Give it up Wrecker - you lost. Fair & square. You should have the good grace to congratulate the winner too. Biden won - fair & square Deal with it And did Trump make America great again? A strong argument could be made that he made it far worse He just prefers to play golf whilst America deals with a COVID-19 disease that is out of control You see, he doesn't care He only cares about himself The karma bus is heading his way

Better to drag them out though deiter ... then you'll know where you stand at least I prefer the straight forward types on both sides but not the extreme types. The annoying bit is that very little ground is given. I sit right in the middle and that annoys the hell out of people. There's a lack of trust unless you bat for one side or the other but the rusted on extreme types are the untrustworthy (IMO) It's their footy team Happy to have their lives organised for them by either side. They're all in. Told what to do without question. In some ways, company men (or women) I much prefer fierce independant thinking but that doesn't mean I'd vote for independants either. Bob Katter? Pauline Hanson? Hinch? No thanks!!

You're not going to win this argument on a technicality Wrecker. Nice try, but I'm the first to admit that we don't live in a perfect world But it is an inperfect world with a divisive figure like Trump in charge. You must really hate the left if you end up siding with a lowlife individual like Trump. Anyway, the big sook lost and his crazed fans can all have a collective weep for all I care. Tissues are in the mail. The 'Other' right wingers I don't have a problem with ... I'm often one of them Couple of questions for you ... Do you sympathise with the alt-right and if so, why? Do you abhor racism and do you believe Trump is a racist

Stop moaning about voter fraud then and then you'll have some authenticity

No loss from my part At least I'm up front about my views And if Trump is not a racist pig then what is he? A non racist? You are defending the indefensible but you'll get plenty of support from your brethren And I couldn't care less Cya

But I was never a Hillary fan ... that's where you keep getting it wrong. The Dems would have won the last election (IMO) with a better candidate and I said so at the time. Do you think that anyone who isn't a Trump fan is a rusted on leftie? You bat for your team so much (conservatives) that you see everyone else as the enemy There are a stack of people who sit somewhere in the middle including most of my friends and acquaintances. They are neither left or right (with any passion) As I keep saying, the far left and the alt-right are the real problem here (not this thread particularly)