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Might have a tip for Wednesday ... stay tuned!

You backing away from these comments DZ? Doesn't bother me but again, unless we're all on the same page, we're just wasting our own time and everyone else's time. Anyway, I'm $370 in front with one go at it. A tiny bit of creative thinking only by the way.

Well it looks like Wadda is on his own organising his 10 pick exotic Because I don't intend to run anything whilst there's an air of discontent Good luck Wadda ... you going to draw the names out of a hat? You might as well.

Not an original? There's been just the 3 of us here primarily since the Spring of 2017. Before that there was a total of 10 posts. How are you not an original? But you can't have it both ways DZ ... go one way or the other and live with your decision. I reckon you and Wadda should run with your 9 or 10 pick exotic. If it doesn't work who cares. But it's your's & Wadda's idea so you're going to have to moderate it. Every week. But I can't see how it can work as you may as well just consult the form guide and cross out 3 or 4 and go with the rest. There will be a lack of expertise attached. The whole thing is now quite ridiculous I was smart enough to take out a trifecta with the picks over the weekend. So what? Are people envious? If so, I couldn't GAF. Was I compelled to take out a F4 and that's it? Have the loonie left infiltrated the thread? Or perhaps the alt-right. Now you and Wadda want to pick more than half the runners or more. How are posters here supposed to decipher all the choices? Are the 9 or 10 choices all winning chances? Do we box 10 and therefore pick up .001 percent of the dividend? Happy days! But go for it. I'll be intrigued to see the outcome. I just hope I'm not prompted every day for another tip. "We need another tip" FMD. Can one do 2 or 3 picks at once to get it all out of the way? How about my 3 lucky numbers, will that do? 2, 7, 11 Must remind myself to box those 3 in the next chosen team exotic event (if it ever happens)

Boom sprinter 'Anders' is out of the Moir Stakes (Friday) due to a temperature. Was listed at $2,50 in the early markets

Considering that you and Wadda make up 2 of the 3 originals on this thread I reckon we should go with the extra picks as you've suggested. So 8? 9? Hey, go with a dozen if you prefer. I'm really not all that fussed. But if it gets too cumbersome don't be blaming me. You and Wadda can moderate the whole thing because I'm not at all interested in moderating up to 9 or 10 picks. Too much time involved and I haven't got the time. Especially on a Saturday and what you're suggesting is almost certainly going to run into Saturday So pick the race, organise everyone and go to it. Good luck DZ.

Ravens, Saints, Chiefs

I threw out Behemoth as the default pick but did put it to posters if they had any objections No one said anything so it stayed on top. With these sorts of things all the posts need to be read carefully by all of us. Myself inncluded. We tried this a couple of years ago (5 picks for a trifecta) but it didn't take off ... even though we won first time up. But there were only 3 regular posters back then so no surprise. Back then when we put our tips up all of us were well aware of the standout horse and I'm sure none of us wanted to leave it out. But by having a default choice that thinking is done for us. And it won't be my choice, it will be the choice. The obvious choice. We do that or run the risk of leaving out the standout choice. Bottom line is that we're all mug punters. Most gamblers prefer to fly solo because that's our make up. So this is a departure ... it may or may not work but it's worth a try.

A couple of youtube clips and the game listings again

Follow the races quite closely Gorg but I'm still a complete novice. haha Bet small to win reasonable amounts. Try to get about 7-1 up to 9-1 in any sort of bet. I'm a small-time percentage punter. Ended up in front at Sha Tin today but I got a late double at 7-1 thanks to Moreira (race 8 & race 10) He rode 6 winners today and I got some sort of collect on all of his winners. Mind you, he's often on the best horse in the race. My adage ... any time you end up in front at the end of the day is a win. I follow J-Mac's mounts on a Wednesday up in Sydney. Again, more of a percentage play with a few small bets. Works the same as Moreira (or Purton) All 3 get the best mounts but they're all top rate jockeys. The only time I try to win big is with a big multi using our tips. A coffee bet only though. And the exotics in a big race or 2 on the weekend ... using our combined tips if possible.

I agree, being creative with the 6 picks to work with is the key. A few here are kicking themselves that they didn't take the trifecta but I did say I was going down that path. I didn't go down the multiple parh but if I did I would have included Tagaloa & Banquo. The one we missed (Archenar Star) had the run of the race and did no work. But hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it Gorg?

7 races down at Sha Tin and Moreira has already ridden 4 winners. He's got 3 very winnable chances in the final 3 races as well. Edit: 5 from 8 now for the little master.

Here are the odds for the 3 big group 1's next week. From a personal point of view I'll be having an exotic bet or 3 on all 3 of the races regardless of which race we decide upon (for the group exotic) F4, Trifecta or even an Exacta. Each to their own. So I'm not fussed on which race we pick. There are other Group races that might appeal as well so if you see a good betting race, let everyone here know. It's got to be a decent race though, Benchmark races are fraught with danger unless you've got a tip. Money for jam for the bookies. Whether we have a default pick is debatable as well (although not including Behemoth yesterday would have been problematic) ... having a default pick allows everyone else a clear pick so if there is a standout, I'm in favour of including that horse automatically as we'll almost certainly end up including it anyway For instance, do we want to leave 'Russian Camelot' out of the Underwood, 'Anders' (if it runs) out of the Moir or 'Rothfire' out of the Golden Rose? e.g. for 2 years in a row now (the Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes) the clear favourite has won and the exotics have all payed exceptionally well n.b. the Underwood Stakes is on Sunday next weekend as it's traditionally the GF weekend As always, any feedback is most welcome

I don't have a problem with what you are suggesting but you don't want to make it too difficult to manage. For instance, which horses do we have to win or finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Who has the extra choices? Who finalises the order? I certainly wasn't moving any goalposts either. I've said all along that people can use the choices as they see fit. As I chose to do by not only having a F4 on the race but a trifecta as well. Paid off too. Create thinking won me a tidy sum As for the choices, I deliberately left myself out last week so everyone else could have a go. As it was, there was a slot available at the end but there may not have been. You make it more complicated and if that doesn't work then what? What's the fall back position? And you can't force people to put on a F4. What if they don't like the look of the choices? As far as I'm concerned people can do whatever they like with the choices. Contributing to the team exotic and then not having a bet on the race at all is an option too. For instance, I'd welcome Go the Biff's input even though he doesn't bet at all. Knows his horses that bloke. I've got a mate who is the same ... follows the horses and knows more that I do but he doesn't gamble.

Replays of the main features from yesterday

Winner Winner That's the sort of news I like to read about on this thread We need lots of good news stories! Go Freo!

Venturing off to Sha tin today and it's a good card for the exotics. I've gone down the Exacta's path as I find the dividends can often be quite healthy up there, all things considered Races to look out for are races 4, 5, 7 & 10 (in terms of good betting races) Full Card Sha Tin (Fields, Form & Odds)

I'd leave it at 6 (for the time being) as people can always add 1 or 2 choices of their own Wadda. For instance, a few here made mention of Tagaloa but again, we can't go too wide. And Tagaloa missed getting into the finish anyway. Banquo was another but there has to be a limit. The Trifecta can be a preferred mode as well so 6 picks is definitely enough for that type of exotic. For instance, I've swung over to the Trifecta option with a smaller wager on the F4. And if we keep missing on the F4, interest will die. From my point of view, the exercise was highly successful but it looks like I was the only 1 who took out a trifecta with the choices. And having 7 or 8 choices can be an expensive exercise too. I reckon we run with 6 but as you've indicated, we have to pick the right race. Next week there are 3 group 1's but on 3 separate days Friday (Moir Stakes WFA 1000M) Saturday (Golden Rose 3YO SW 1400m) Sunday (Underwood Stakes WFA 1800m) Keep in mind that the Golden Rose might only attract a small field (8 starters last year) whilst the exotic dividends for the Moir & Underwood were very healthy last year. But neither race is held on the Saturday. There may be other options (another Group 2 or Group 3 race out of Sydney on the Saturday?) but I reckon the choice should be a high profile race where the interest is high to begin with. I'd probably lean towards the Underwood over the Moir as we've got more time to put the exotic together. But it depends on the field ... a small field won't suit. Looking ahead the Turnbull St, Epsom Hcp & Metro Hcp are being held the weekend aftet next. All Group 1's and all big fields (generally) Footnote: Black Heart Bart won last year's Underwood at 100-1!

Pogacar replaces Roglic as the leader and is the virtual winner of the Tour. That was one hell of a time trial. Pogacar just smashed his way through it. Quite incredible! And Richie Porte rides his way into clear 3rd position and an overall podium finish. Only the 2nd Aussie to do so. An eventful night to say the least!

We were a tad unlucky with the track being upgraded to a Good3 too. Peter Mooney, Gator and a few others in the know were saying (around lunchtime today on RSN) that the track tends to favour on pace runners once the surface becomes a fast one. The backmarkers just can't catch up once the leaders kick away in the straight. So Cascadian, Superstorm & Age of Chivalry couldn't make up the ground quickly enough. By contrast, Achernar Star drew the inside gate and had a relatively cushy run. Behemoth did make up ground of course but he may be heading for a stellar career.

Go Hawks! (That will net you a nice return - good luck) I wasn't even really thinking about the trifecta until the tips starting coming in. Was really confident that Behemoth would either win or go close and then we'd only need 2 of the remaining 5 to get into the first 3. F4 are a lot tougher to get but the payoff is often terrific. Any other combination of the first 3 that crossed the line would have paid a healthy 4 figure amount too (especially if Behemoth finished 3rd) In the end, I put more into the Tri than the F4 for the above reasoning. 6 picks seems a lot but is it? With huge pools and numerous chances, 5 choices isn't enough for me. Esp so for the Cup races and races like the Everest, Derby & Oaks. The adage - take a smaller percentage of a bigger dividend. I reckon the concept is worth persevering with but we'll all need to get the odd collect to keep the interest up. But even the exacta paid 100 and the quinella 80. Later on I thought about Behemoth winning with the other 5 to finish 2nd or 3rd. Cost of 20 for a return of 846. Punters lament! Footnote: Watched the replay a few times and Behemoth is an absolute beast. Jockeys aren't big people but Williams looks really tiny aboard the big boy.

Only audio here but it must have been some sort of run by the Big Boy ... carrying 60kgs as well. What a horse hey!

Hope a few others got the Tri Well done to JV & Wadda for picking Dollar for Dollar & Pretty Brazen. There's no way I would have included both.

Thanks Spud Yeah I got a half decent % of the trifecta so well in front. F4 paid 26k ... we got close!

Kolding looks to be back in business ... it's last start 2nd was the pointer But alas, I was on Avilius ... didn't run on but it might have one big run left. Maybe Verry Elleegant couldn't get out (?) Only audio here but the caller said it was unlucky.