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Overseas Group 1 replays first up with the Oz Group 1 replays to follow Managed to snag a one-off UK double in the 2 x Group 1's as well as the 2 win bets saluting but no such luck in the USA! There are decent odds to be had with overseas Group 1's and the form is often easier to match up as well. The smaller fields can rule out the exotics but the races are often truly run as a consequence

I got a couple of half decent collects (late) to break even for the day Terrible start but that's par for the course ... I often wonder why I bet early A reasonable % of the trifecta in the Golden Rose helped a lot! Won well too ... I thought you'd be on it! Haven't watched a race yet but I'll watch some replays soon enough. But Russian Camelot, Ole Kirk, Instant Celebrity & Windstorm seemed to be the standout highlights of the day. And Crosshaven looks a likely type by the sounds of it

Mystic Journey back in town as well I was on Greysful Glamour who loomed large and then dropped right out Playing exacta's at Rosehill tomorrow but I reckon Arcadia Queen or Russian Camelot win the Underwood tomorrow. Marked them both on top (clearly) As for the Golden Rose, Rothfire should win but Ole Kirk will probably be flying home. North Pacific is a chance too. Out of those 3 you'd imagine Gorg

Pippie just way too good in the Moir ... a 1000/1100m specialist but she has won twice over 1200m Might be worth a go in the Everest and would almost certainly get to the lead in that race early. But they don't get a breather in the Everest and the last 100m - 150m would test her. Very quick horse though and they couldn't keep up with her tonight.

All the backmarkers couldn't make enough ground. 2 lengths covered 9 horses at the finish. Hard to get a read but the winner (Poland) might be worth following Mind you, the 5th horse was only 0.7 lengths from the winner. The Valley tonight still rated as a Good4 but it's hosing down out in the deep South East. Worried about Jungle Edge now because that horse is a swimmer!

'Barocha' sold to HK interests. Undisclosed amount but apparently an offer too good to refuse The story is on Racenet.com I suppose we can still follow the fortunes of the horse much like we have with Beauty Generation, Mr Stunning and a host of other Oz & NZ bred horses that ended up in HK Not quite the same but money talks

Yeah I'm looking at an exotic in your race with the 2 horses you mentioned on top. Maybe a F4 but probably a trifecta.

Best Bet (Friday) Moonee Valley Race 7 (Moir Stakes) No.11 Hanseatic Win/Multi (Place) $17.00/$4.00

Adding a bit more interest towards having more than 1 best bet this weekend is that we have 3 big race meetings on 2 different days this weekend ... n.b. The Underwood Stakes Day is on the Saturday this year (not the Sunday) Moir Stakes Night (Moonee Valley Friday) Golden Rose Day (Rosehill Saturday) Underwood Stakes Day (Caulfield Saturday) So we could all pick out something on the Friday and something else on the Saturday as JV7 has alluded to. There are 5 black-type races at Moonee Valley with some very good horses running around. I've already got 2 'Value' runners picked out on each day with one that I'm very confident about In other news Behemoth is in the Everest. The slot was secured today ... it's easy to see both Behemoth & Classique Legend flying home but will they be able to catch up with Nature Strip, Gytrash or the boom sprinter Rothfire 7 runners confirmed ... Nature Strip, Gytrash, Classique Legend, Rothfire, Tofane, Farnan & Behemoth The Moir Stakes is only run over 1000m but we might see 1 or 2 of the runners gain a slot in the Everest as there are still 5 vacancies available

@layzie @Gorgoroth @DemonDave @Dr. Gonzo @JV7 @Dappa Dan @titan_uranus @DeeSpencer @Clintosaurus @Dee Zephyr @Go the Biff Spoiler Alert: Don't read on if you don't yet know the result of today's game between the Saints & the Raiders. Leaderboard: Tipping Comp 2 - Gorgoroth, Go the Biff, Clintosaurus, DeeSpencer, titan_uranus 0 - The Usual Suspects By the way, any proof-reading of the results would be much appreciated Some excellent match-ups this week ... Rams @ Bills, Dallas @ Seattle, Packers @ Saints, Chiefs @ Ravens & the games involving the Pats & Tampa will be interesting all season with Cam Newton and Brady on show n.b. Houston should be +5.5 not -5.5 ... an obvious typo

It's a good race JV ... a few chances too. 'Toyetic' will probably get into the finish as well as your choice (The Brumby) I prefer it when Oliver is on a swooper but the map has 'Embolism' on the pace. I reckon it might be midfield though (with cover) I'm banking on Oliver and at 6.50, it's slightly overs. Very impressive win at it's only start at Geelong ... in good time too. Rather than a taking out a place bet or an exotic with any of the 3 aforementioned, I might take out a 2 or 3 pick 'Place' double/treble with Embolism & 1 or 2 others later in the day. Promises to be a good day's racing at HQ. Footnote: Got Oliver & J-Mac on a few value runners as well in 3 other races but I'll keep them under my hat!

The only issue is that we'd then have a possible 10 choices. And that involves 10 separate races. 12 if Rolling fog is here. And then there's Biff's 'Roughie' We may not have many races left to bet on personally! And we don't want to be betting against each other ... not publicly at least I'd leave it at 1 pick each but as the day progresses there's nothing wrong with throwing out a few spec choices. As we've been doing on recent Saturday's. By then most have put their bets on and we're in chew-fhe-fat mode. Best Bet or Best Value? Either/Or. Again, we don't want to over do it and if 6 or 7 different people are involved, one choice is enough in my view. Good suggestion though and it's only my opinion. I'll go with the majority view I reckon we could each have another tip on a Wednesday though. Many of the midweeks step up from here on in as is the case tomorrow with the Derby Trial & Oaks Trial at Flemington. Country Cup days etc. You got anything for us tomorrow JV?

I started doing 2 leg multi's when there were just the 3 here (with mixed results) Got a few collects but you need 2 horses to win and you still may only get 6-1 or thereabouts Where as with a value runner it's just the 1 straight out bet. It's just an observation of the history here. People can obviously do whatever they like but I'd like to think that all of us could entertain the thought of backing another person's best bet. Does that happen? I don't reckon it does very often but what happens if someone puts up a 7-1 chance and it wins. You'd hate to miss out with those odds. I'm going down the Value best bet path for the Spring but I'm still going to be looking for the class runner (at each-way odds) And the place dividend with a value runner could be best used in a 2 or 3 pick multi. Rather than backing the horse for the win ,& the place. But as previously stated, a lot of the betting agencies offer money back if your horse runs 2nd or 3rd. In that instance, there's no need to put a place bet on

Further to the above There is nothing to stop people putting 2 of the value choices together for a decent paying double. Even 3 if you're confident But the 5 or 6 best bets where the choices are more often than not quite short doesn't work. Again, a value runner will often be paying $2.00 - $3.00 for the place where you've got 3 chances of saluting rather than just 1 chance (in a multi) But the bottom line is that a value runner can be bet on outright. For a decent return. That's not to say that the shorties can't win. Of course they can. But what is their value in this place? I'll say it again, I've probably got 20 or 25 short priced favourites home with my best bets but not once has anyone ever acknowledged that they've won money from any of those tips. And I am certainly not advocating that we can the idea. Just change it up I say Thoughts?

The Best Bet concept needs a do-over as well For 3 years all these short-priced picks have served no purpose other than to contribute to a large multi (which is almost certainly never going to salute) The shorties don't suit all members of the team. Value runners - different story. If people here have a need to put on a large multi they could use the value choices with the place dividend as the conduit In 3 years I have landed plenty of short priced winners but not once has anyone ever commented that my pick won them any money It has never happened. So my choice is redundant in advance. So why should I waste my time? Same outcome applies to all others with their short-priced best bet. In 3 years we have landed a 3 pick multi (when there were only 3 of us) twice. That's a poor strike rate. e.g. did anyone (other than JV) win any money from JV's tip (Probabeel) last weekend? So I strongly favour changing things up so we put up some value runners. Paying at least $5 is my proposal. Last week DZ & Gorg put up +$5 chances and it was a step in the right direction. Most here are small time punters so asking people to put down a bet of $20 or $30 is asking a bit too much in my view. Lets fix it. Thoughts?

Wednesday Smokey Flemington Race 3 No.3 Embolism E\W 6.50 1.90

I reckon we have a couple of weeks off so everyone can cool down. Right now, there's probably 1 or 2 who won't want to contribute. Revisit latet. Maybe But for what it's worth, I'm in your camp.

Might have a tip for Wednesday ... stay tuned!

You backing away from these comments DZ? Doesn't bother me but again, unless we're all on the same page, we're just wasting our own time and everyone else's time. Anyway, I'm $370 in front with one go at it. A tiny bit of creative thinking only by the way.

Well it looks like Wadda is on his own organising his 10 pick exotic Because I don't intend to run anything whilst there's an air of discontent Good luck Wadda ... you going to draw the names out of a hat? You might as well.

Not an original? There's been just the 3 of us here primarily since the Spring of 2017. Before that there was a total of 10 posts. How are you not an original? But you can't have it both ways DZ ... go one way or the other and live with your decision. I reckon you and Wadda should run with your 9 or 10 pick exotic. If it doesn't work who cares. But it's your's & Wadda's idea so you're going to have to moderate it. Every week. But I can't see how it can work as you may as well just consult the form guide and cross out 3 or 4 and go with the rest. There will be a lack of expertise attached. The whole thing is now quite ridiculous I was smart enough to take out a trifecta with the picks over the weekend. So what? Are people envious? If so, I couldn't GAF. Was I compelled to take out a F4 and that's it? Have the loonie left infiltrated the thread? Or perhaps the alt-right. Now you and Wadda want to pick more than half the runners or more. How are posters here supposed to decipher all the choices? Are the 9 or 10 choices all winning chances? Do we box 10 and therefore pick up .001 percent of the dividend? Happy days! But go for it. I'll be intrigued to see the outcome. I just hope I'm not prompted every day for another tip. "We need another tip" FMD. Can one do 2 or 3 picks at once to get it all out of the way? How about my 3 lucky numbers, will that do? 2, 7, 11 Must remind myself to box those 3 in the next chosen team exotic event (if it ever happens)

Boom sprinter 'Anders' is out of the Moir Stakes (Friday) due to a temperature. Was listed at $2,50 in the early markets

Considering that you and Wadda make up 2 of the 3 originals on this thread I reckon we should go with the extra picks as you've suggested. So 8? 9? Hey, go with a dozen if you prefer. I'm really not all that fussed. But if it gets too cumbersome don't be blaming me. You and Wadda can moderate the whole thing because I'm not at all interested in moderating up to 9 or 10 picks. Too much time involved and I haven't got the time. Especially on a Saturday and what you're suggesting is almost certainly going to run into Saturday So pick the race, organise everyone and go to it. Good luck DZ.

Ravens, Saints, Chiefs

I threw out Behemoth as the default pick but did put it to posters if they had any objections No one said anything so it stayed on top. With these sorts of things all the posts need to be read carefully by all of us. Myself inncluded. We tried this a couple of years ago (5 picks for a trifecta) but it didn't take off ... even though we won first time up. But there were only 3 regular posters back then so no surprise. Back then when we put our tips up all of us were well aware of the standout horse and I'm sure none of us wanted to leave it out. But by having a default choice that thinking is done for us. And it won't be my choice, it will be the choice. The obvious choice. We do that or run the risk of leaving out the standout choice. Bottom line is that we're all mug punters. Most gamblers prefer to fly solo because that's our make up. So this is a departure ... it may or may not work but it's worth a try.