Macca

More so perpetually on the move In a red phone box

Ha ha! I live for Saturday racing ... can't get enough of it. Used to be the footy but we don't play all that much on a Saturday arvo these days And I no longer play cricket so it's all about the horses on a Saturday now

Our forward line is often too crowded anyway ... mostly due to the other clubs flooding back knowing that our forwards often not adhering to the basics (not playing in front, not leading to the right spots, not enough defensive pressure, 2nd & 3rds efforts poor, not playing as a team within a team etc etc) Plus, our forwards give the ball back to the opposition by missing easy shots for goal (yips, choking) Weideman is part of that forward line group so the blame needs to be shared equally As a collective, our forwards need to play a lot better and also, we need to move the ball quickly into the forward line (as we did in 2018) to give our forwards more of a chance before the forward line becomes too crowded. So it's more of a structure/system issue rather than any 1 particular player (Ben Brown should help as should Kozzie & LJ with a years experience under their belts)

Have you blokes had a look at Winterbottom at Ascot today? (Race 9) I don't mind 'Elite Street' (#13) at the value (20-1) Trekking the obvious standout but a bit short for my liking

And we did get Brayshaw in return ... feeding off Oliver delivering to a functioning forward line (as it was in 2018) he's an absolute beauty Played on a wing, a real waste. He doesn't have the legs for that position Gus could play for another 7-10 years but we need to use him properly to get the best out of him So Frawley leaving as he did was not a bad result (imv)

As for coming out of retirement Frawley might have got the tap on the shoulder at Hawthorn (they do that at the Hawks) So the Saints offer him a 1 year deal when he is still fighting fit ... what's the big deal? You're a long time retired

Roos played Frawley in the forward line in the 2014 season and then didn't seem all that perturbed when Frawley explored free agency And there's a good chance that we'd got word that we were going to be compensated well with his loss (turned out to be pick 3 which we used to claim Brayshaw) I saw it all as win/win And just because we draft a player doesn't necessarily mean we own that player. These days, a player gets to make choices as well

Game highlights from today

A couple from Stevie Wonder

Vinyl Nation is available on SBS 'On Demand' until Dec 22 ... use the search feature once into the app

Good show, worth a look Viceland possibly has 'On demand' much like SBS

@layzie @Gorgoroth @DemonDave @Dr. Gonzo @JV7 @Dappa Dan @titan_uranus @DeeSpencer @Clintosaurus @Dee Zephyr @Go the Biff Apologies for the late posting this week ... I blame the government! We now have a sole leader in the tipping comp - former winner Clintosaurus The question is, can we catch him? Just the 1 point on offer this week but a total of 11 points are still available for the remainder of the regular season (week 16 is now worth 2 points) Leaderboard - Tipping Comp 10 - Clintosaurus, 8 - titan_uranus 6 - Go the Biff, DemonDave, DeeSpencer, Gorgoroth, Macca 5 - JV7 4 - Dee Zephyr 3 - layzie 1 - Dr. Gonzo n,.b The Steelers/Ravens is now to be played on Sunday

Good As for the rest of it, let's agree to disagree

That racism is often disguised? It is, especially on the internet. Footballers are often vilified by anonymous figures online and we've had numerous threads about the subject matter on the footy boards here. And it will happen again and I will be making comment ... hopefully you do the same My views on racism are very real and reflect the truth Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity What did you think about the online vilification of Harley Bennell in July? The perpetrators were online & anonymous

The club needs any number of good people working well in their positions and then working well together So it isn't just the coach It's the Board, the CEO, the GM, the Head Coach, the Assistant Coach (Mentor, Right hand man) The Chief Recruiter (and his assistants), the List Manager & Player welfare personnel The Line Coaches, Midfield, Forward, Clearance & Stoppages Coaches, Skills coaching, the Captain and the list of players A good list of players too (all desperate for success) Good culture is of paramount importance as well Put it all together and success should come our way. But in the end if you haven't got enough talent you won't win

I see the list as being capable of finishing anywhere from 12th to 6th. There are so many variables that it's near impossible to accurately predict where we'll end up 6th might mean a great run with injuries and a functioning forward line with Brown and one other KF firing. Also performing well when we're supposed to. A reasonable ask And as for 12th, most of you know the drill But I can't see top 4 unless we make a quantum leap I believe we're 5 or 6 good/top players short of being a consistent top 4 side (taking into account injuries, coaching and mixed form) Not doomsday as we can play finals but we're not a threat. We are a work in progress I watched all the finals and we've got a bit to overcome to reach top 4 level

No prior has also been talked about but that could create other issues such as who would want to take possession of the ball? To my mind the game would be so much easier to umpire if there was less congestion And that's the other issue with congestion - there is so much going on in and around the ball that those viewing get increasingly frustrated But again, we're getting conditioned with the congestion to a point where many don't mind it at all. The lower scores sees less blowouts which keeps the viewers watching. Maybe that's why they aren't taking drastic action to opening the game up. And there's a lot they could do but the changes seem cosmetic to me. For a reason LDvC?

So you labelled me a leftie years ago and I'm now labelling you an alt-right 'type' 4 years late See that's the way you alt-right types work ... it's all confrontational but you screech like banshees when it comes back at you. Bit soft Do you even understand what hypocrisy is?

You did it to me early on in this discussion so you're just getting it back Quit your moaning

You're wrong ... it's quite ok to critique all sides of politics. I should know, I've done it all my life Left wing governments in this country get in the way of me running my small business. Too much bureaucracy, red tape, taxes, rules & regulations etc etc So I'm more inclined to vote right but not alt-right (like you do) You're just stuck in the us versus them mentality. And you will never change You're narrow-minded and you've been that way from a young age. Brainwashed by political idealism's (like many on the left or right) Anyway, just a reminder that you lost the presidency but hopefully the Republicans can come up with a worthy candidate next time. Do that and they can return to the White House

Reckon dieter has covered the Trump racism exceptionally well (thanks dieter) And you just continue to deflect ... it's quite pathetic really. You talk like a politician ... the very thing you detest about politics I don't even know why I bother with people like you ... you're beyond help But you go ahead and embrace the alt-right (lets face it, you refuse to condemn the alt-right)

Most want positional football, I'd say a large majority. I reckon if we had that on a consistent basis most would be satisfied That can be the goal but to get there is tricky. To me they should trial & error new rules through the 2nd tier. As they used to do And they are doing that by the looks of it with regards the stoppages/players in the arc ruling And the percentage of dissatisfied football goers & watchers is increasing year by year. Those people need to be listened to. I can remember a time when the only people who moaned about footy were non footy fans.

The discussion here could be condensed down to those who don't really have an issue with the modern game vs those that do But those that do have an issue with the aesthetics can be lost to the sport ... and there are far too many complaining for it to be a non issue But even a congested version of the sport is better to watch than many other sports So why can't we have a great version that pleases everyone? (like it used to do) I'm not holding my breath on a real fix but there are any number of things that could be implemented to open up the game 1. Less players on the field (16 a side) 2. Way less rotations or no rotations (soccer & union don't have rotations at all) 3. Zones for forwards & backmen (attuned to stoppages) 4. A shot clock 5. Bonus point for an achieved score (80 points? 100 points?) 6. No boundary throw-ins (last player to touch the ball etc) 7. Backwards kicks can't be claimed as a mark 8. Length of kick increased to 20 metres for a claimed mark 9. More free kicks played ... throws outlawed more stringently and no prior is also an option. Throw the ball up immediately regardless of nominated ruckmen. Get on with it in other words I am not advocating that we do all of the above but at least a few of the above measures wouldn't hurt I now view the sport as a defensive sport only but not everyone will be able to make that switch. Some who switch off may not come back The sport needs to be grown, not become a battle between those with different tastes

Good call ... perhaps a matchwinning call as well. Equivalent to kicking 2 or 3 goals straight after half time to break the deadlock Out to a 2 point lead with titan 2 points behind and the rest of us at least 4 points behind Still, 11 more points available in the next 6 weeks so there's a bit to play out The rest of us need to take some risks I'm reckoning

But racists aren't up front are they? They hide their racism and they do it well. Clever, but easily seen through. Or should I say, they think they are clever. Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity How about I just point to the 10's of millions that have labelled him a racist ... in fact, white Supremacist gets bandied about a lot as well For the life of me, I don't understand why you continue to defend Trump. As previously stated, you must really hate the left with a passion At some stage you will try and disassociate yourself from Trump but it won't work You're stuck with him for life