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Reckon dieter has covered the Trump racism exceptionally well (thanks dieter) And you just continue to deflect ... it's quite pathetic really. You talk like a politician ... the very thing you detest about politics I don't even know why I bother with people like you ... you're beyond help But you go ahead and embrace the alt-right (lets face it, you refuse to condemn the alt-right)

Most want positional football, I'd say a large majority. I reckon if we had that on a consistent basis most would be satisfied That can be the goal but to get there is tricky. To me they should trial & error new rules through the 2nd tier. As they used to do And they are doing that by the looks of it with regards the stoppages/players in the arc ruling And the percentage of dissatisfied football goers & watchers is increasing year by year. Those people need to be listened to. I can remember a time when the only people who moaned about footy were non footy fans.

The discussion here could be condensed down to those who don't really have an issue with the modern game vs those that do But those that do have an issue with the aesthetics can be lost to the sport ... and there are far too many complaining for it to be a non issue But even a congested version of the sport is better to watch than many other sports So why can't we have a great version that pleases everyone? (like it used to do) I'm not holding my breath on a real fix but there are any number of things that could be implemented to open up the game 1. Less players on the field (16 a side) 2. Way less rotations or no rotations (soccer & union don't have rotations at all) 3. Zones for forwards & backmen (attuned to stoppages) 4. A shot clock 5. Bonus point for an achieved score (80 points? 100 points?) 6. No boundary throw-ins (last player to touch the ball etc) 7. Backwards kicks can't be claimed as a mark 8. Length of kick increased to 20 metres for a claimed mark 9. More free kicks played ... throws outlawed more stringently and no prior is also an option. Throw the ball up immediately regardless of nominated ruckmen. Get on with it in other words I am not advocating that we do all of the above but at least a few of the above measures wouldn't hurt I now view the sport as a defensive sport only but not everyone will be able to make that switch. Some who switch off may not come back The sport needs to be grown, not become a battle between those with different tastes

Good call ... perhaps a matchwinning call as well. Equivalent to kicking 2 or 3 goals straight after half time to break the deadlock Out to a 2 point lead with titan 2 points behind and the rest of us at least 4 points behind Still, 11 more points available in the next 6 weeks so there's a bit to play out The rest of us need to take some risks I'm reckoning

But racists aren't up front are they? They hide their racism and they do it well. Clever, but easily seen through. Or should I say, they think they are clever. Extreme racists put hoods over their heads to disguise their identity How about I just point to the 10's of millions that have labelled him a racist ... in fact, white Supremacist gets bandied about a lot as well For the life of me, I don't understand why you continue to defend Trump. As previously stated, you must really hate the left with a passion At some stage you will try and disassociate yourself from Trump but it won't work You're stuck with him for life

I wouldn't rule anything out with the Trump family and Ivanka vs Kamala would be an interesting possible match-up As for Trump hatred, what's there to like? No redeeming features that I can see although I can see how he can appeal to numerous others. I mean, you wouldn't have him as a mate would you? Interesting for about 10 minutes and then everyone is looking for the exit sign (when's he gonna shut up?)

You don't know? What!? To me, he is an obvious racist (anyway) and tens of millions (perhaps hundreds of millions) agree with me Are they all wrong or do the 10's of millions just misunderstand the man en masse ... I use the word 'man' loosely because he's not a 'real' man. And by the way, this election was decided upon racial lines and Trump had no Trump card to play this time He lost by a big margin in the end. And he still can't come to terms with losing. Sooks will do that

It tells me that Trump has amazing magnetism & charisma. That cannot be denied dieter. He'll be back in some form, make no mistake. Trump TV could easily surface and that's my bet. And who wouldn't watch it? (What did Trump say tonight?) Even the far left can't stop looking at Trump. As for being the leader of the Republicans I'm not so sure it would satisfy the man. It's one thing being in charge but in opposition? If he wants it, it's his, but he craves the limelight & the adulation He needs an audience He is not going away in a hurry but at least he won't be occupying the oval office.

To the victor go the spoils (unless Trump somehow believes he can win California or New York - voter fraud, voter fraud!!, what happened to my Russian friends!!)

I was totally anti Trump back in 2016 He won and I copped it fair & square because I believe he won fair & square Same as Biden won fair & square but you are clinging on to your ridiculous notion (backed up by the white supremacist himself - Trump) that voter fraud was the reason Trump lost Give it up Wrecker - you lost. Fair & square. You should have the good grace to congratulate the winner too. Biden won - fair & square Deal with it And did Trump make America great again? A strong argument could be made that he made it far worse He just prefers to play golf whilst America deals with a COVID-19 disease that is out of control You see, he doesn't care He only cares about himself The karma bus is heading his way

Better to drag them out though deiter ... then you'll know where you stand at least I prefer the straight forward types on both sides but not the extreme types. The annoying bit is that very little ground is given. I sit right in the middle and that annoys the hell out of people. There's a lack of trust unless you bat for one side or the other but the rusted on extreme types are the untrustworthy (IMO) It's their footy team Happy to have their lives organised for them by either side. They're all in. Told what to do without question. In some ways, company men (or women) I much prefer fierce independant thinking but that doesn't mean I'd vote for independants either. Bob Katter? Pauline Hanson? Hinch? No thanks!!

You're not going to win this argument on a technicality Wrecker. Nice try, but I'm the first to admit that we don't live in a perfect world But it is an inperfect world with a divisive figure like Trump in charge. You must really hate the left if you end up siding with a lowlife individual like Trump. Anyway, the big sook lost and his crazed fans can all have a collective weep for all I care. Tissues are in the mail. The 'Other' right wingers I don't have a problem with ... I'm often one of them Couple of questions for you ... Do you sympathise with the alt-right and if so, why? Do you abhor racism and do you believe Trump is a racist

Stop moaning about voter fraud then and then you'll have some authenticity

No loss from my part At least I'm up front about my views And if Trump is not a racist pig then what is he? A non racist? You are defending the indefensible but you'll get plenty of support from your brethren And I couldn't care less Cya

But I was never a Hillary fan ... that's where you keep getting it wrong. The Dems would have won the last election (IMO) with a better candidate and I said so at the time. Do you think that anyone who isn't a Trump fan is a rusted on leftie? You bat for your team so much (conservatives) that you see everyone else as the enemy There are a stack of people who sit somewhere in the middle including most of my friends and acquaintances. They are neither left or right (with any passion) As I keep saying, the far left and the alt-right are the real problem here (not this thread particularly)

No I am saying I copped the loss fair & square and didn't moan about it or make excuses You should do the same But here you are mirroring your beloved white supremacist leader banging on about voter fraud Be a person of character and cop it Wrecker. It's the decent thing to do By the way, you and a few other Trump fans here are forever going to be associated with Trump. There will be no escape no matter how much you try and disassociate yourself from him Mud sticks

If want to know how to be a good winner you need to learn how to not be a bad loser No complaints from me last election Wrecker ... none. Took the loss fair & square. You should do the same And who's to say that the Republicans aren't meddling with the voting process (Russia?) The whinging from the alt-right mirrors those who are from the far left. Similar types when it all boils down And by the way, I don't vote for the left so it's no good throwing Democrat stuff at me as I'm probably going to agree! Both extreme groups from both sides are as bad as each other

Highlights from today and (ugh)

Did I say the Title is up for grabs? Highlights from last night

Steelers, Chiefs, Packers

I didn't mind the footy frenzy ... during the school holidays (June/July?) works in terms of a captive audience and lets face it, there's not a lot of quality programming on TV anyway. As much as I now view the sport as a defence based sport (a bit of a grind) it's still miles better than the junk we get served up as an alternative (especially on the commercial networks)

The doco was made this year so it will be new to most. American slant of course but vinyl is vinyl and it has universal appeal

Some EPL highlights from last night ... the links might take you back to youtube (to view) or you may be able to view the clips here The terrific part of these Optus Sports clips are that they don't give away the scoreline beforehand. Readily available on youtube not too long after the games are completed as well p.s. the Title is up for grabs!

@hardtack @dpositive @Wobbly Bob @Nascent @layzie @rjay @Trisul @WERRIDEE @Earl Hood @bingers @Go the Biff @Sir Why You Little @phalanx @nutbean @Diamond_Jim @Dr John Dee @Hell Bent @Jara @3Dee @bjDee @Carlos Danger @Yossarian @Wrecker45 @AzzKikA @Jack Jack @Gorgoroth @Deestroy All @H_T For those that are interested there is an interesting doco on Viceland - 9.20pm tonight (Channel 031) about the comeback of 'Vinyl' records including the diversification of vinyl fandom

Wow! ... a more than decent performer is 'Inspirational Girl' ... cruised past them in the Railway under hands and heels by Pike Meteoric rise for the lightly raced 5yo Mare but a trip to the East has to be on the cards soon enough The All Star Mile in the Autumn looks ideal but the way she hit the line you'd imagine she'll get 2000m.