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Off day? In the rest of their matches they've mostly dominated their opposition Where as in the rest of our matches we've often surrendered meekly

That's true! We've got a mountain to climb, Nieta

Collingwood's teamwork is second to none All their players look for a teammate as a default move. Total team Constantly running to space or creating space with pinpoint kicks and handpasses They make our team look like rank amateurs Mind you, our players don't have the skillset to play such a style. Sigh

It certainly is time for change But I'm concerned that the club doesn't know where it is at (in the whole scheme of things) If this was Goodwin's last season then that could be one major change As for the players, move any player on who can't adhere to the modern style of playing Remember when Adelaide moved on McGuiness, McDermott and a couple of other former good players before Blight walked in the door? That's the sort of thing we need to do Clear the decks and bring in the new coach in a succession plan (2026) Pay him a nominal amount and make him in charge of the offense (get rid of Chaplin) Jones can go as well as he overseas our mids butchering the ball

What club would want to pay full whack for our potential discards? Moving on Petracca, Viney & Oliver would be chiefly a mass salary dump. We wouldn't be getting much back in return and we'd still be up for sizeable amounts of their salaries Ultimately, we're probably better off trying to turn all 3 around As it stands right now, all 3 could be sent back to Casey until they learn how to kick to position properly. I'm tired of watching all 3 butcher the ball. Right now, they offer no value Matchwinners? That ship has sailed Our only A grade player these days is Gawn and he's losing his leap The list is in a real mess and needs an overhaul Some will argue that having so many good players playing well below their best is the fault of the coach My view is that it's the players fault

What I'm looking for here is a level of fairness that should be applied The players are lazy and they are loafing on the job. And getting well paid to boot For instance, Oliver's contract should have been torn up at the end of 2023 for breach of contract. No sentiment, there's the door We need to overhaul the list otherwise we're in for 5 more years of miserable losses (regardless of who is the coach)

The comment was not directed at you in particular... it's nothing personal but if people have bothered to read the thread they'd know that it would be a costly exercise to sack Goodwin Back through the thread there's been numerous posts with links to how much it would cost the club to pay Goodwin out Through the media etc as well. The notion of us sacking Goodwin has in large part been put to bed as it's going to cost the club too much money to do so Go back a couple of months on this thread and all the info is there to see. In fact, what myself and others have been saying about the payout has already been said numerous times previously Fact is I'm just here repeating myself It's been reported that Goodwin is on a water-tight contract and that he is on at least $1Million per season ... and the FD tax is a very real thing It's simple mathematics, not at all complicated Much like the player salary cap, clubs can't exceed the FD spend (mainly the coaching) ... if they do they incur a 75% tax for every dollar up to $1Million (in any given season)

Trading a top player out early is also a way of replenishing the list with top quality youth (with the cache of picks coming back) Frees up cap space if a club wants to land a particular player for a particular position For instance, we could have traded out one of our mids 3 or 4 years ago and then chased hard for a decent KPF In other sports worldwide, players are often viewed as commodities. In our sport, we are often quite attached to our players

Yep, handing out the big contracts is always risky But that's the era we've entered Pour yourself a Double Jack, picket!😁

Your choice, bub I'll ride it out as it's club first and individuals a long way behind (Players, Coaches, Administrators, President, CEO etc)

Coaches get well paid these days It's not news either

It would be more like $500k to $600k this year plus up to $1.2Million next year plus the FD Tax 75% or $$750k I thought everyone knew about the potential payout.

And just to rub it in we're stuck with at least 6 players on medium to big long term contracts who are past their best (or well past their best) For what it is worth, if Goodwin was only contracted for this season then I'd be probably advocating a change at the top But a huge payout figure in the $Millions? No, we have to ride it out. Contracts are contracts and no one walks away from big money (generally) Ange Postecoglou stood firm and didn't quit or walk away ... result? Close on $10Million pay out

If we sacked Goodwin now we'd have to pay him for this year and next year ... and he is on at least $1Million per season. Could be $1.2Million per season Plus, we'd incur the FD tax which is 75% with a maximum payout of $750k On this thread, the payout has been widely talked about with links surrounding the payout figure. It's not news

Do some research

They won't waste $2.7Million by sacking Goodwin old dee, not going to happen. Follow the money Sometime next season is a real possibility though but only if we keep losing If we were losing to Neeldesque type proportions, you'd have a good point And in my view, the membership drop-off can be attributed to the players not giving a yelp If we sack Goodwin anytime soon we'll be posting a net loss in the financials. I can't see the new CEO making that sort of decision just as he has put his feet under the desk

We'll win a couple/few more games and that will be that Sacking Goidwin is not a story in the mainstream media. It's all about Voss & Carlton And us beating Brisbane & running the Pies close kept the wolves at bay back a month ago Every win prolongs Goodwin's tenure, that's how it works

Again, players are responsible for their own form, kicking for goal, going hard at the contest etc etc I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that we need to overhaul the list and reboot And don't forget that Goodwin stays because of his contract, so you and others are stuck with him no matter how much he might annoy you

Could be that all our experienced good players are past their peak (or well past their peak)

Yep, Goodwin has had enough time to fix our forward structure with regards to systems & personnel And our players should also have the wherewithal to know how to carry out simple instructions (forwards on the lead along with efficient kicks entering the 50) And to be fair, in the recent past, we've drafted 2 x top 20 picks where we attained JVR & Jefferson. With neither having much impact, especially of late But we've had a taste of how efficient we can be with the Freo & Lions wins In between and since, we've had the yips in front of goal, slow starts and old habits have returned The Pies from 60 metres out nearly always look confident & dangerous ... by contrast, when we're 60 metres from goal there's often a feeling of apprehension as in what happens next?

Not sure it's a 20 or 30 player problem, Gonzo. More like 12-13 but that includes about 6 or 7 that are heading for delistment It's a different conversation if our forwards lead to the ball carrier with Clarrie, Petracca & Viney all lowering their eyes when entering the F50 by foot In a nutshell, JVR, Petty & Fritsch won't lead to the ball carriers and Petracca, Viney & Clarrie blaze away with their kicks forward Fix those 6 players and we are more than halfway there

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you've got to say. T-Mac could have been retained as the sub for a bit of versatility They are probably trying to teach Windsor to be accountable using him off HB but we lost his pace and burst as a consequence Our offense in general has been well talked about but the fact that it's still a conversation is frustrating. We should have moved on from the long bombs long ago. We're still stuck in amateur hour Not sure on JVR but he's got some raw talent that might come to fruition

Yeah, I see the assistants as expendable and it's nothing personal either. Zero sentiment We need change in the FD and it won't be Goodwin* gone anytime before 6 or 8 games into next season (at a minimum) That might change if we lose all our remaining games and cop 4 or 5 thumpings ... but we've got enough talent to ensure that that won't happen. At a guess I reckon we'll finish on about 8 wins The other real talking point we'll be with regards to the trade table. I see it going 3 possible ways 1 - We back in the list to somehow turn things around (possibly) 2 - A reasonable amount of movement with 1 or 2 'name' players heading elsewhere (probably) 3 - A lot of movement where we end up revamping or revitalising the list. A domino effect once 1 or 2 players get traded (a possibility that I quite like) *Goodwin's contract keeps him at the Demons into next season

Yep 2022 was the one that got away I think the other issue with regards to the new game style that we're trying to employ and what we've seen elsewhere, is it often requires an offense-minded coach And Goodwin's fortè is the defence and all-over defence. I don't rate him on offense But given that his contract keeps Goodwin employed at the MFC into next season, he'll need better assistants if we are to play finals next season On the evidence we've seen so far this season, our offense stinks So Chaplin & Jones should come under scrutiny And we'll need to be proactive in the off-season with regards to the list The current squad has quite a few holes in it and we've got too many set-in-their-ways types So we've gone from all excited for a bounce-back season (this year) to fingers crossed on the road back to relevancy

We stuffed up in 2022 and ran out of legs but we still won 16 games in the H&A Cruelled by injury going into the 2023 finals series. Lost Petty, Melk with T-Mac & Fritsch on one leg. Then lost Gus & JVR on top of that ... 2023 is in the forgive-file in my view Last year we started losing our way and this year we look lost But again, we embarked on a new game style from early in 2024 and to my eyes, there's been a lack of a buy-in by the senior players As for Goodwin, because of his contract, he'll coach into next season so you may as well keep your powder dry until then The focus is on Carlton & Voss where as we're just not the story