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Be a dull old world if we all agreed with each other But all's well than ends well, hey! Fork 'em!!!!!!

That's a win for the ages!!

It was a fairly ruthless call as it lessens whatever chance we had of winning today Anyway, on to the game!

So it could cost the club up to $3Million, all up (to sack Goodwin) That's a lot of money when considering we're now out of the pokies coupled with only 2 money making MCG games this season (and the Tigers clash may see a smallish crowd to boot) There's no way Goodwin walks away from that sort of money either Folks here need to be prepared for a long season. Unless we come good of course We are not giving Goodwin 3 million bucks to depart the Goodship MFC. I can't see it

Well, taking them out of their role if they fail to carry out instructions is a good point So I've got Sparrow & Viney out of the team as both offer nothing much right now But Fritsch & JVR were offering very little and both got dropped. So a good proportion here got what we wanted but that now means our forward line is threadbare So there's always a consequence and we have no real depth Fritsch is at the crossroads and JVR is overrated. He can't create seperation like good forwards do Maybe as the 3rd tall but he's not a 1 or 2. He may improve of course but he needs to

Ha ha! What about all the assistants, bub?

Yes, the blame should be all-encompassing, including all the off-field stuff. We're running a couple of cylinders short and it's a bit of a train-wreck to be honest All the negative stuff that has happened has to have an effect. All that whilst trying to instigate a new game plan. Good luck It can be argued that Goodwin is a victim of circumstances trying to implement a new game plan ... which started early last year and then was abandoned at some stage last season. It takes time to work We probably should have kept with it last year but that's a hindsight observation (and therefore, unfair) The team was used to winning so copping a few big losses can bring in a 2nd guessing situation But by the sounds of it, we are sticking with the new game plan for the season I reckon we'll kick into gear at some stage and when that happens, everything can change for the better. Or it may not One thing is for sure, we were never going to win big again playing the long ball to the pockets So we had to take a chance and change The fact that we haven't seen it doesn't mean we won't see it, sooner or later

I'd get rid of a couple of the assistant coaches before Goodwin ... and I'd do it now

So if I ask you to catch a beach ball and you drop it, that's my fault? Your argument lacks logic Do you also want to blame Goodwin for world hunger? And Goodwin just dropped JVR & Fritsch. You and many others were calling for their heads so you should be happy He can't drop all the underperformers at once, but he's at least made a start Reminds me of the notorious poster here who blamed the players for 186 but wants to sack Goodwin if it happened again Hypocrisy... alive and well amongst footy fans By the way, the players looked to me like they were protesting in the last 4 games Let's see if they've got any self-respect today hey?

On a lighter note, I'm not sure that Goodwin will go the way of Neil Balme Balmy was effectively sacked at half time in a match against St Kilda in 1997 (Gutnick went on radio at half time and said change was coming (the coaching) We sure know how to sack 'em at the Demons So the protest game (186) was supposedly about CS but we sacked Bailey instead and then extended CS contract Only at Melbourne

On the surface of things, Chaplin looks to be quite useless at his job (he's in charge of the offense & forward line) But where's the call for Chaplin to be sacked? How does he not get any scrutiny? And Jones as the midfield coach? Pathetic Our midfielders need to be working together but we're seeing everything but that happening Years ago on this site I made mention that we need a playbook for stoppages. Because if we don't, that's pure amateur hour As for our forward line, apart from Kozzie and Petracca, none of the rest of them can win their own ball. It's woeful JVR & Fritsch have felt the wrath and it's about time. Both of them need to dominate at Casey to get back in ... 1 or 2 decent games is not going to cut it But really, Sparrow, Viney and at least a few others should be joining them (at Casey) The expendables are the assistant coaches, they are a dime-a-dozen So before Goodwin, we should move on Chaplin & Jones. And what do Bassett and Richardson offer? SFA as far as I can see

Fair points but if Goodwin goes, our troubles aren't over, in my view What is an interim coach do with our sorry lot of players? I doubt we'd win another match for the season We might get a bounce-back win although that doesn't happen as much in pro sports these days A new game plan mid season? No thanks, we can't even enact the one we've got now The sport is too sophisticated these days and it should be like the NFL. Wait until the end of the season Soccer? There's a million coaches and the culture in soccer is sack, sack, sack And at the end of the season, the club needs to sort out the playing list ... turf out anyone who doesn't want to be part of the future and trade hard No favourites, no one in the gun, just sort it out

And he's not gone yet so don't count your chickens, Gonzo A heavy loss today won't be good for Goodwin but I reckon the Board will give the bloke some grace (time) How long? Depends on whether we keep losing and the margin of defeats My argument all along is that the issues we have are widespread. On field and off field For instance, hindsight should have taught all of us that Neeld was just a symptom, not the root cause Neeld wasn't the reason that the club was in virtual administration ( from the AFL) ... we were a basket case and Neeld walked into a minefield Not saying he was a good coach of course. There's just a lot of other factors If people here were more prone to saying that our issues are the coaching and the players, you'd probably never hear from me But 90% of the posts on this thread don't even mention the players being at fault ... and that's wrong The players and their output is a huge factor

Yeah sure, but I expect the players to be able to listen and learn. Are they low intellect types? Maybe they earn too much money and are now gluttonous We've got a few out but the named team should still be able to win today (if they can follow some simple instructions that a 10yo might understand) The team is playing soft, listless, bruise-free football right now. Anti team The consequence of that is that one bloke cops it in the neck I'd rather we sacked a few players first. Maybe more like 6 or 8 Just clear the decks, trade hard and rebuild Because this current team is taking us nowhere (even with an interim or new coach)

Jordon improved with maturity and opportunity He was never going to get the same opportunities with Viney, Clarrie, Petracca, Brayshaw & co hogging the show Just get over it and stop your weeping

Aren't you the smart one That'll get you 50 vomits Wakey wakey dazzle, your team has reached rock bottom right before your very eyes And you want to blame one bloke? You lack intelligence You talk a lot but say very little

Well, a strong argument could be made that the players drove their way to a flag (back when they weren't lazy) And now they are just sitting back with the fat cheques rolling in Right now, they should hand their salaries back

What nonsense The list is fat and lazy and living off the flag we won Self satisfied and they've lost their hunger I listed 15 experienced players earlier in this thread who all have issues (some major) The players are at fault but people like you take the easy way out and just want to blame the coaching Open your eyes, Kent

As for Bedford? We all saw the potential? That's a stretch. He showed some promise, that's it Weren't too many broken hearts when he went ... until he started playing well Hindsight is your friend, Dazzle I live in the real world

Jordon was bog average with us but has played better with maturity and more opportunities at the Swans And good on him but we couldn't fit him in ... shiiitt happens It's not the end of the world either. You win some, you lose some The biggest loss was Hogan but that just was never going to work with us either You move on

Yes, but on this thread, there's little or no balance So I've argued fiercely the other way just to square the ledger And believe it or not, I'm not a Goodwin fan. Nor do I think he should be sacked The responsibility on our game day performances has many factors And I prefer players who take responsibility with an ability to think for themselves We're not seeing that thus the comparisons to 2012/2013 The difference between then and now is that at least we have proven talent these days. Back then we had very little talent So there's hope

I reckon that is rubbish. For instance, a 50 metre long bomb travels very quickly And the kicks are counted yeah?

So what happens if we get smashed today? Any blame on our millionaire players? Or are they immune from criticism? If we win? Wow, wouldn't that be something with games against the Tigers & Eagles coming up! Credit to the coach if we win?

No, Goodwin is coaching to a new game plan but the players aren't listening We trained all summer with a fast paced offense and have talked about the new game plan since early last season There's no buy-in from the players. They all revert to kind once the ball is in their hands You need to start critiquing the players a lot more. Stop blaming Goodwin

Rubbish Jordon and Bedford hadn't done much when they were with us and were surplus to needs In fact, both sought trades for more opportunities. Fair enough too, it's not a perfect world You are stuck in the past