Very Jaded

Sometimes you need to remember that players are people with families. Oscar has copped some serious abuse from supporters and honestly if he wants out, so be it. He is far from the worst player to ever make a career for themselves in the AFL.

Both teams making up numbers. Richmond will destroy Saints next week.

You can see the clear drop off in skills and quality with this game. I’ve half switched off.

I suppose the fact that Hawks refused to let him out of contract last year when we were chasing his hard speaks volumes of how good they think he is. Plenty of top quality coaches have come out of the Hawks camp under Clarkson. I hope Yze can be added to that list. He certainly can’t do worse than our current crop.

It was a genuinely good game! One of the few I’ve seen this year that hasn’t totally made me wonder why I still bother with AFL.

Brisbane winning the flag is the only way to make this season not a complete disaster. So happy to see Geelong and Richmond lose first week of the finals. I am so done with these teams. Same goes for West Coast.

It’s one year and I doubt it’s big money. Not an issue. He could potentially still be tried up forward so provide some flexibility especially if Oscar is traded. Not exactly wrist slashing “let’s sign Harmes for 5 years and then play him out of position” type stuff.

His mail is rarely ever wrong. The true news breaker of Demonland. Sorry Ethan.

How depressing to think us and Brisbane were both bottom feeders not long ago... look at them and look at us. Good coaching is just so important.

Well if they won’t get rid of Goodwin I’m glad they’re at least looking at getting him top quality support. At least then there really won’t be anymore excuses.

The sweet sweet irony of this orange pig catching Covid. Now is his chance to drink that miracle bleach! I just feel bad for his supporters who packed his rallies, no masks or social distancing, who won’t have the same privileged care as the man they so adore, and who is so against free healthcare. He literally made fun of Biden for wearing a face mask. Who’s laughing now you ignorant moron?

How they thought bulking him up made sense is beyond stupid. His greatest strength was his endurance. He was never going to be exceptionally mobile or athletic. So they made him put on muscle mass which would have made his feet worse and made him even slower. Christ.

I’m not so convinced his mates in Russia didn’t have a lot to do with the win. I can’t marry the words Trump with Fair.

Their system is flawed. Hillary should have been president. 3,000,000 extra votes and she loses to this muppet. Whether Trump wins or loses, the damage is done with a 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court. Can’t wait for them to cancel the health care and abortion bills. Welcome back to 1958.

In a truly dark time for humanity, this thread was the lol I needed.

For the next debate they need to hire a mother of small children to moderate.... “if you two don’t get along so help me god I’m turning this debate around and going home”. A shambles and an embarrassment to democracy. Not since the Second World War has the world been more desperate for good strong leadership. Between Trump, the dictators in Russia and China and that moron Boris, the world is absolutely [censored]. Biden is a very underwhelming candidate, but there is no doubt that a pile of day old rubbish would be a better option than Trump so ?‍♀️ I live in hope Harris destroys that mouth breathing sack of [censored] Pence and seals the Democrats the victory. God knows these two old white men wont.

I’m not against this move, but it smells of desperation by Goodwin who surely knows that no finals in 2021 = no job in 2022

He can come back to Melbourne. Norf are a hot mess.

A shame for him and an even bigger shame for the person who doesn’t have a job next year because we need to cover Harley’s $50,000 fine. Just a crap ending all around.

To be fair, getting rid of Frost was a minor part in why our defence got better. Steven May being his replacement is like 99% of the reason.

Yeah I mean if we tried to get him back and he said no, then clearly we have to let him go and do what he needs to do for his own health and well-being.

Agreed. It would be irresponsible and wrong of any club to give him an opportunity to permanently destroy his life. This stuff is no joke and that he wants to go again just shows me that he’s already had one too many head knocks.

Spot on. There isn't a Melbourne supporter who doesn't universally admire Jack's attack on the footy, his endeavour, hell his consistency. He is always giving 100% of himself, and that is an admirable quality. That doesn't mean he is faultless or have no clear deficiencies. It also doesn't mean that the way he goes about his footy isn't sometimes detrimental to the overall outcome of our midfield performance. If he stays, great. Although I wouldn't support him getting a 5 year deal. There are only 2 players on our list I would give those deal to, and that is Trac and Oliver. But, that aside, nobody here would be upset if he stays. On the flip side, if he left and we got a really good outside mid in return, I don't think we would be worse off.

One can't help but wonder if Jack was drafted to Melbourne in 2019, how his career would have panned out. It's been a bumpy ride for him, and I wish him all the best in his future endeavours.

Perhaps team first footy wasn't the right choice of words, but to me a player who gets in the way of his teammates and doesn't know his own limitations, is detrimental to his teammates. There is no doubt he goes hard and gives his all every week. I never doubt his desire or application, and never have. I have no problems if he stays, and I believe there is a role for him in the side, but I definitely do not rate him as highly as our coaches clearly do. And I never commented on his skills. His skills are fine for the role he plays. I think he would be better suited to play in a midfield where he is the main and best clearance player. He isn't at Melbourne, and from the outside looking in, hasn't learnt to play second fiddle to Oliver. From my perspective both Oliver and Langdon had better seasons and were more crucial to us winning the games we did. Coaches don't agree, and that is fine. They have their own matrix that we clearly don't see.