nutbean

Correct - you imagine. Its bad enough that everyone believes they were insight as to the performance of assistant coaches - we are now passing judgement on line coaches ?

Nutbean here, there and everywhere. I understand history, tradition and legacy but if Dr Who doesn't allow free speech that is critical of the club the site dies completely. It's unfortunately that simple.

I am sure they do have input in consultation with the coaches (hence responsibility) - I am just perplexed with the non recognition of how crap our midfield talent is and shifting responsibility back to Royal without applying the same standard to other assistants. I keep asking the same question ( which highlights our lack of insight) - Over the past two years where Viney's title has been player development - exactly which players have developed so well that we would pat him on the back and say job well done. This is not a knock on Viney because we just dont know but I cant buy how some on here have jumped into Royal but wont apply the same measurements on reaching that conclusion to the balance of the coaching staff. My opinion has been a collective fail for all with all coaches with massive crosses against Neeld for setting the direction and agenda and a lot of recognition that an absense of talent makes coaching a difficult task, ( edit - and I love good argument !)

You havent spotted the major flaw in your argument ? Roos is head coach who sets direction, strategies and set ups.Royal is an assistant who implements those directions, strategies and set-ups. You are 100% right when you said only insiders know why he failed and by extension of that same argument those insiders would be the only people also to gauge why with a horrific back line and forward line and development Viney and Rawlings have been retained but Royal and Brown havent. As a collective basically the whole club failed including most importantly the players - we keep blaming ordinary footballers and a very ordinary senior coach on an assistant ! If we want to say from top to bottom that our football department was a fail then not a problem - but there are those on here who have been potting Royal and pointing to our deplorable midfield yet not holding the same standards against all the others from top to bottom whose KPI's have been just as poor. (someone even mentioned that Viney had the midas touch and our development of players has been ok - ye gods !) Apart from the head coach who takes ultimate responsibility I will not single out individuals under the head coach for more blame than others as we have zero insight.

In herein lies the problem ( and I somewhat think that RR and I are arguing this to death). Firstly the whole club went backwards whilst all our coaches were onboard so by your criteria every ass't and line coach had "a hand in it" and all failed. Lack of development means Viney had a large hand in it and the debacle of the whole footballing organisation means that Craig was spectacular failure. An assistants coach role is not to teach the players his game plan and strategies but to impart the head coaches strategies and game plan - I am sure that a good assistant will bring ideas to the table but they would certainly be ticked off by the head coach and not implemented without authority. So how do you judge a good assistant coach ? It is pretty simple. 1/ If he keeps getting a gig (which the head coach dictates) - he is probably ok 2/ If he gets the flick from a "Sitting" coach then he is either no good or the head coach has found someone better 3/ New coaches usually bring in new assistants So yeah - Royal had a hand in coaching the worst midfield in the AFL with players who wouldnt play for the head coach (apparently) and with a game plan from head coach that everyone is still scratching their head trying to figure out exactly what it was.

agreed...its beyond you.

I dont think it is self righteous at all. A tad delusional tis all. So the problem with our forwards was the midfield and the problem with our backs was the midfield..hmm ok... and over the past two years our players have developed reasonably ?? seriously ?? Our players have gone so far backwards it is mind boggling - Nathan Jones would be the only footballer you would consider has made good progress over the past two years and gone from an adequate to a really consistent performer and has won two B&F's ( remind me if he played in the midfield and if Royal coached him ? Maybe Royal got lucky with Jones). I absolutely get that Roos wants his own people - I also would agree that if you asked Royal himself how he would rate his years at the MFC he would rate them as a fail. Im sorry but if you want to judge these insiders with little insight then go for it but hold every one of them to the same standard and if you do every single one of the coaches would fail miserably and with no insight you would also conclude that Viney and Craig are miles away from a pass mark for their respective results of their areas of responsibilities

I believe the objection from the other clubs falls under the "don't give a sucker an even break" clause.

So following your line of thinking - with a percentage of 56% last year - Leigh Brown deserves to go but equally so does Rawlings ? Please advise if you want Todd Viney gone - he is in charge of player development and strategy - you must surely rate him the worst of all in the football department - considering we have had no strategy since his arrival and players development has gone backwards ? Edit - if we are to judge anyone in the club with the same insight displayed on here then after the last two years absolutely no one would survive.

You have hit the nail on the head. Have a look at the Stats sheets from any game and you will see that most scores come from turnovers. No game plan, no defensive setup no amount of coaching on positioning or setups is going to help if you don't have the basic skills NOT to turn the ball over. So I am happy to tear a new one to our skills coach or even our recruiting staff that drafted players that cant dispose of a football. But a strategic genius is not going to help us if we constantly give the ball back to the opponents.

Fixed your equation for you ( (BR(x%) + Head Coach(y%)) failed to fix skills, or fix defensive zones, (BR(x%) + Head Coach(y%)) x 95% crap midfielders

Max Gawn to be my personal minder and press floor 77 on the Eureka Tower lift because I am too short to reach.

I was sitting in the front row on the boundary and a pack formed right on the boundary line and Jack was sitting in the seat next to me waiting for the ball to come out.

Who will Roos turn from spud to delicious curly fries next year ? I'll kick off. Pederson to become our Ted Richards.

Hey OD - seems like your dark cloud is starting to lift - and unless I am mistaken can I also detect the beginning of a little thing called optimism ?

Dale Weightman was a great rover and also a vindictive fellow - didnt matter how big you were, he would hit you ( behind play)

Would I be overreaching suggesting similar to Marc Murphy ?

Agreed...I liken Royal's task in coaching our midfield to that wonderful line from the film Christine - "you cant polish a turd". Roos was always going to bring his own people in. Does Roos know how good BR is or isnt in the two days he has been with us ? I suspect he has asked people with knowledge prior to his in the club if there are any coaches that are really worth keeping hence it looks like Rawlings is the only one who is staying. If anyone outside the inner sanctum would like to judge our assistants coaches - every one of them including Rawling should go and Viney as well for the complete lack of development. Lets get rid of the new recruiter as well because Toumpas hasnt done as well as Wines. Misson certainly has to go. Glad Craig is goingto after our last two seasons. I find it amusing that we stick the boots into Royal but we give respect to Craig as he comes across as a good bloke - but the main reason Craig was brought in was to mentor, council and and help mould the first time coach in Neeld - how did he do with that task ? From an outsiders perspective Craig was as epic a fail as Royal was. I think we have little insight to these things and if Roos wants them to stay thats good and if he wants them gone thats also good - but I won't slag off any of the departing.

For the love of god someone get us a good midfield.

If the AFLcommission decide not to award us a priority pick then I will stop paying taxes. When the ATO come after me I will use the AFL as the precedent - "for many years I have paid taxes to successive Governments and they have just [censored] my dollars up against the wall. Therefore I am drawing the line in the sand and saying that this Government must stand on it own two feet and will no longer get handouts in the form of tax dollars from me"

Die for the jumper ? Do you want to rethink that ? As bad as Neeld may have been he had choices to make like every other footballer on our list (read Nathan Jones) and he voted very loud and clear NOT to die for the jumper.

He can commit all he wants but unless that team is GWS or he is prepared to leave to go to a team down the bottom of the ladder then the team he may have committed to has to deal with s favourably.

I actually agree with PJ. My expectation is very high and I don't mean about how many wins next year. I see this appointment ( and indeed the appointment of PJ) as a redefinition of the once mighty, but recently irrelevant MFC.

To Satyr....Here is why you need to get excited - follow my warped logic. Whilst so many on here blame Neeld for our current state I believe the players need to shoulder a great deal of the blame partly for an absence of talent but mainly for an absence of application. We now have secured one of the mostly highly credentialed coaches of the last decade. Not only for his coaching methods but also his culture changing ways and everything he brings to the table (player destination and sponsors ?) To jump into WYL's camp, if this doesn't work then we are truly stuffed. So I embrace Paul Roos and believe he will improve our current list immeasurably and attract new players to further improve us with every fibre of my body because it is either that or I will have to start watching a different sport. ( and after thought - I also embrace PJ as the worlds leading CEO for the same reasons as above)

How's Barry Ough tracking ?