FarNorthernD

Wow. We are at an incredible disadvantage. Good get R & B. Sydney, GWS and Adelaide all are big winners

David Cordner was a poor mans Jack Watts and was there for all but the first year of Barassi’s tenure.

We are the Club Wise. Support staff, coaches and even the players come and go. We, the members, are life-long permanents. If you are a passionate member you should contact the club and they should want to hear feedback from the members. It doesn't matter if it is Gonzo congratulating them on moving Jack along or another member berating them. Of course the ultimate feedback for them is membership renewal. I'm guessing the Club better have a good first few games or it may prove difficult for us to get near last years record.

From this https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/top-aflw-draft-prospects-from-victoria-darcy-guttridge-eden-zanker-olivia-flanagan-maddy-guerin/news-story/5d3be0fd7f409699ed64abd8b5d95ec2?nk=6af62809e39ab12839c737f75cdc4bc6-1508297477 EDEN ZANKER (Vic Country) What kind of player is she? A key 182cm forward who is rarely beaten when marking on the lead or overhead. All-Australian selector Kate Sheahan’s take “Her capacity to mark the ball at the highest point is going to be a really difficult challenge for young defenders to spoil. She kicked the most goals at the carnival as a straight lead up forward. She probably needs to work on her versatility at ground level.” What team would she fit into and why? Again, it’s Collingwood. The Magpies have a small forward line and could really do with a key position player. Having said that, Zanker will also be on the Western Bulldogs’ radar. When Katie Brennan was injured the Bulldogs looked rudderless up forward.

From this https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/top-aflw-draft-prospects-from-victoria-darcy-guttridge-eden-zanker-olivia-flanagan-maddy-guerin/news-story/5d3be0fd7f409699ed64abd8b5d95ec2?nk=6af62809e39ab12839c737f75cdc4bc6-1508297477 MADDY GUERIN (Vic Metro) What kind of player is she? A midfielder with sizzling speed who knows her way around the goals. All-Australian selector Kate Sheahan’s take “I see her more as an outside mid and a winger because her breaking speed is phenomenal. She can really take off. In my mind she looks like she should be a good kick, but that definitely needs some work.” What team would she fit into and why? Carlton would be eyeing off Guerrin to give them some much needed pace like Cat Phillips provided for Melbourne on the wing.

I was thinking along the same lines. Unlike a few on here I’m not sold that T Mac will be capable of being a long term forward option for us. I can see him returning back to defence and could see either O.Mac or Lever given a shot up forward.

Im still a bit unsure about Goodwin but he does not strike me as one who would give up information under any circumstances. Think you would need to plan for the long haul.

Oh dear. i can feel the indignation from the anti-Wattsers Should get us over 200 pages quick smart

You’d swap Balic for Watts?

So Freo want 28 for Balic and we would take 29 for Watts. It’s a weird world.

Using the AFL points system and assuming no great ladder improvement from us next year we have effectively given up pick 4 for Lever. I think everyone here would do that deal. Hopefully that is a worst case scenario. If we improve like we expect and Adelaide falter that could translate to pick 5-6 Also whilst next years draft may well be very good whatever player we would have got would take at least 2 years in the system before we got significant results. That brings us to the 2021 season. Lever will be lining up round one next year.

Yes it is weird that the Club thought highly enough of Jack to give him a 3 year contract on good money one year but considers him a culture killer the next. They have obviously lost patience with him, and fair enough, but culture killer? Didn’t you say a while back that you would be happy for him to stay?

And Lever also has very similar stats to Rivers after the same number of games. Means little at this time. Weideman, by the way, has kicked more goals than Hudson at the same age.

I'm pretty sure we are well run and would have our salary cap under control. If this is true however and we have allowed ourselves to get into salary cap trouble then my confidence in the Club just nose-dived somewhat

If ever the penny will drop with Jack it would be now. If you are a club that backs their footy department to get the best out of him then you could find a potential match winner in the bargain bin. Really the worse scenario for his new club is for him to 'only' get back to his early 2017 season form.

Really? For better or for worse Jack is contracted by the Club for two more years but in its dealings has made it very difficult for him to come back to the fold. They asked him to explore his options and pretty much the least they can do is let him go where he feels like he may have the best chance to succeed rather than what suits the MFC.

Out of interest GV is there a point where the return on JW isn’t worth it? Pick 30, 40, 50?

Just out of interest if you were in charge of the Watts deal is there any point - 3rd round pick for Watts, 4th round, 5th? - where you would say that we are better off keeping him?

It would be safe to assume that any player giving a club organised/sponsored interview has been told how to answer the inevitable Watts question. They are just messenger boys pushing the Clubs line although Jones does seem to want to go above and beyond.

As Mo says the Cats have other priorities than Watts. It would be interesting to see just how low Melbourne would go to get rid of him. I’m assuming they would take anything in the 20’s but would pick 35 get the deal done? If he is still a Melbourne player on the last day and someone offered up 48?

Any chance those who would like Watts to stay also want what’s best for the Club? Or is that just the domain of the anti-Wattsers?

If Jones took ‘personal responsibility for his performance’ he perhaps would have stepped down as leader after he failed to direct any players to get behind the ball against the Saints with 13 seconds to go. Perhaps he would have taken some responsibility for the completely inept first quarter debacle against a Collingwood seconds side in the last round. Or any of the myriad of times that he has gone missing when we have needed someone to stand up and inspire. I actually am a Nathan Jones fan but where is the personal responsibility from Nathan aside from potting his own teammate? Where is the personal responsibility from Tyson for missing so many targets? Where is the personal responsibility from Hogan that he can’t kick accurately over 35m? Where is the elite performance here that you are talking about? It will be interesting if the Club forces Watts out, which causes Hogan to have chats with Freo, which causes Lever to have second thoughts about coming to us. Who takes personal responsibility for that?

Fritsch: "What role am I playing today coach?" Goodwin: "Well today we are playing [insert team name here] so I want you to be booed and sworn out by all their supporters and a vocal and vociferous minority of your own supporters too. If you do well you can expect the same treatment next week and the week after that. Expect to be pilloried in the media and your own Club will admit your mere presence puts them under pressure. You will run the game out to the end but I will infer to the press that your preparation was lacking. All your teammates will make fundamental school boy errors; failing to kick to targets 20 metres away, handball to players feet and missing goals from 35m out but we are setting new standards now and elite finishing skills are so very 2016 which was, coincidentally, when we signed you to that 3 year (non binding) contract. Fritsch: "Oh, I’m playing the Watts role"

Recently there was an Open Mike that featured Paul Connors. He came across as a particularly decent human being. Afterwards I was speaking to a friend who is a relatively high profile AFL journo and he said that Connors was well respected in the industry. He has around 100 AFL players on his books inc Hodge, Nic Nat, Dangerfield, our own Daisy, Michael Hibberd, Melksham, Trac, Michael Hurley, Tom Lynch, Andrew McGrath, Josh Kennedy, Sidebottom Chris Judd and Dimma. He also has Josh Kelly who he recommended to stay at GWS for the success. Success trumps the dollar (particularly when you are already getting paid well). Connors is a good operator. You would imagine there must be a fair bit of angst between parties if his comments are as Redleg reported

Aside from Jack’s preparation and physicality issues there is probably another reason the Club would like to see him depart. Now that another tall in Lever coming on board the Club has less need for Jack. With a lot of clubs going the way of two talls in the forward half and lots smalls providing forward pressure it is hard to see where he fits. T Mc, Hogan, Weed, Pedo and possibly O Mc can all be tall fwd options. Get rid of Jack and you can then draft/trade a small. The Club can push Jack out and claim it is down to his attitude but I suspect there is a bit of list management in play too.