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I'll add a third element - poor kicking skills, particularly of the half back where errors/turnovers are most damaging. Poor kicking means that in addition to the obvious (straight turnovers) players up field might hedge their bets to provide cover for a turnover, but most significantly players are not confident with the long kick, perhaps across the face of goals, to a player who has busted a gut to make space, for fear of turning it over. Really of our defenders only Dunn (and perhaps Garland?) is a reliable long kick. Last season there was a number of times McDonald didn't honor the leading players, not because he didn't see them but because i suspect he was worried about turning it over. Jetts is an accurate kick but not a long one. And Grimes is nether particularly accurate or long (though i don't think his shorter kicks are as bad some make out). Roos is working on this no doubt but it is good to hear that Frost and Junior Mac are both good kicks, whilst H is a serviceable long kick

No i don't

I agree. Bail is similar and Jetts even more so. Jones and Bail will continue to be best 22 and it goes without saying Jets is is a lock. Jones and Bail personify the sort of two way runners the Roos game plan demands and both are the sort of solid citizens/role players Roos loves.

Fair enough. I suggested something similar some months ago - admittedly half in in jest. I see the bickering as unresolved sexual tension al la the trope in American movies and TV shows (eg moonlighting). Seen through this lens it is quite funny.

To be honest i'm getting a little tired of the woe is Saty /please come back Saty/Saty is being forced off the DL etc etc comments. Yes much of the back and forth between Saty and his detractors can be tiresome but for Pete's sake Saty is just as much to blame for derailing threads into bickerfests - perhaps more so. Why more so? Well mainly because he has admitted on any number of occasions that he deliberately winds people up for his own amusement. I repeat he admits he winds peole up for his own amusement. Borderline trolling. So forgive me if i don't feel all sorry for him and beg from him to continue posting. I actually had Saty on ignore for a long time precisely because of his trolling (the final straw for me was his vociferous defense of the ex casey coach's very public and out of line comments about MFC players x 2: apparently it is not on for DL posters to bag dees players but perfectly ok for a Casey coach to do so. But i digress). But i took him off ignore because i enjoy his training reports and don't bother reading the back and forth so i could care less about them derailing threads. No one is compelled to read anything. But please peeps by choosing to deliberately wind people up he rescinds his right to play the poor wounded, hard done by club stalwart.

Whatever.

Roos 1 Lyon 0

Sorry wj peanuts are not paleo. They are a legume

Strange isn't it. Why would the AFL want to destroy any club let alone one as important to the viability of the competition as EFC. Bizarre. Similarly its weird how Demitriou allegedly calling Evans to give them a heads up is used by some as evidence the AFL have it in for EFC (as opposed to the more logical conclusion that if true he was wanting to protect them - and course protect the AFL).

Just needs an uninterrupted pre season

Good post. PJ was pointed in his comments about the relationship with Casey and specifically commentated on the coaches not implementing the dees game plan. Which just highlights how off the mark those DL posters who argued all was well with the casey coaching set up, even after the couple examples of public criticism of MFC players via the media, rumors of discontent and the overheard criticism of the dees game plan in a quarter time huddle (that some dismissed as cocky poop). Sometimes where there is smoke there is actually fire.

Hird it too sue. He's certifiable. Kept going about bringing asada and afl to justice but could not articulate how he was going to achieve this

What a lot of troll like nonsense. It hurt my brain reading it. I went. PJ said the goals is finals or pushing for finals in 2016. He made no comment about this season at all. He put no limitations on our performance this year, no ceiling and not a hint of negativity. Where is the defeatism? Why would this year be a right off? People around me at the AGM were rapt in PJ's comments and far from defeatism the mood was triumphal. But perhaps you are trolling. More fool me then for engaging.

It's all relative

Gold. Perhaps a good thread? ie What are the worst things that can happen to a football club? Appoint a coach who worked under malthouse as an assistant Move training ground from one that people have a special connection to to one further down the Nepean highway that players hate going to Employ Steven Dank Sack a much loved elder statesman/captain when experience is exactly is what is required Have a webenar called Whiteboard Wednesday Recruit Fev and then give him free reign Other?

You and i obviously have different definitions of what a leader is. A follower mindlessly toes the party line. A leader refuses to be a sheep and stands up for what they believe in. Anyway, different strokes for different folks.

That's important

Sylvia and Maloney were often legless and played alright

With all due respect Saty - and in deference to your regular attendance at training and knowledge of what goes on at the club - i do not not need to take your word about how much Dunn, or any other player for that matter, has or has not changed on match day. I - and 99% of the other dees tragics on DL -can determine that all by my lonesome. He has most definitely changed on match day. He is still aggressive but it is a much more controlled aggression and rarely has the regular brain snaps and the stupid niggling palaver that used to punctuate his game. Five years ago dees fans and the general footy fans would have laughed if we put him in the LG, let alone made him VC. No one will be laughing today.

Sheez, of course Gary Lyon. Duh. TBH i would not have Woey, robbo or Adem.

No golden ticket required. He got the crucial pre xmas training block in, not to mention all the camp bar the last session.

Ahh i forgot Junior. In for sure. Bit tough of the Whiz though- he gave great service and was the most exciting player i saw play for the dees so gave me great joy. He went home for family reasons as i understand it

I agree (obviously) but as you say who goes on the banner is dependent on what the selection criteria is. Current players only and Dunn is a lock now. However if it say players of the modern era (lets say for arguments sake from 1990 on), then no spot for Dunn (yet). Really only Jones would get a look in from the current side. if it was the latter criteria my banner would be: Neita, Farmer, Schwarz, Jones, Brett Lovett, Tingay, Brad Green, Whelan and Glen Lovett

Precisely. Further it is instructive that the efc and hird not once raised this issue until show cause notices were issued when it it immediately became their primary concern

Remarkable how disingenuous third has been through all of this. As wj points out the Middleton case and subsequent appeal was centred on whether asada acted in line with the law. Which they did apparently. The contract between the players, efc and the afl is related but ultimately not the issue. And now it is according to third. And not coincendally also for Matthew Hardie who kept on banging on about the contract in his interview with Tracey Holmes, who then started including that issue in the other interviews she then did on this topic. Look at the narrative that compliant media people have helped run - hird the heroic one, third fighting for the rights of players, third refusing to buckle against the evil Masada/afl ogre, third the tragic scapegoat, third the moral crusader. As I say disingenuous. On the contract discussion even there third and hardie s argument is weak. Whilst the players are compelled under the terms of their contract to cooperate and anwer questions I don't think they are under oath and in any case if they refuse to cooperate I would imagine it would be very unlikely they would, at least in the short term, face any suspension and even if they did would have legal options (during which the validity of the contracts could be argued)