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It is interesting isn't it. One thing seemingly all journos commenting on this palaver agree on (perhaps the only thing) is that ASADA have been poor/shoddy. I recall the lambasting the old CEO (whose name escapes me - Androuska?) copped after being cross examined in the Middleton trial. Well Middleton didn't share the view of the peanut gallery and in fact went to some lengths to praise how considered she was in her responses and point out that she and ASADA had in fact been quite effective and the process she followed in terms of delegation were standard business practice. He even praised the joint investigation as a model, a model which had been roundly panned. Not surprisingly this praise for ASADA was not highlighted and i don't recall a single journno even reconsidering their negative assessments, let alone change them.

Exactly - particularly given whilst he might have an axe to grind with EFC on more than one occasion he has sympathized with the players. But leaving that aside what about the moral duty? it was his program (and the players blind faith) after all that has exposed the players to these charges. Beggars belief. As does his pathetic threats to sue all and sundry (where are all those defamation cases at?) and fatuous claims he would only appear in the safety of a court - hold that the AFL tribunal is ok, but only if it open to the public. Because of course no one can be trusted and this all an ASADA/AFL conspiracy. Pathetic. As is Hardie. A legal academic my arse. And you can throw Chip Le Grand in for good measure. I heard him on SEN the other day ('breaking'the story ASADA had considered offering Charter a job - which the article actually noted after checking with Vic pol they dd not proceed with - some scoop) and that numskull Mark Allen said something along the lines of thank god for Chip who cuts through all the rubbish and makes sense. Are people for real? Chop again reiterated that the case will get thrown out next week because the players lawyers will successfully argue ASADA do not have sufficient evidence. If it doesn't will he admit his error? Of course not. Just as Mick Warner made no comment about spectacularly wrong he got the outcome EFC appeal. How he could return to journalism after his ridiculous and 100% wrong cricket score analogies is anyone's guess.

Is this a riddle?

Yep, that should be enough time. I'm not sure its an easy position in so far as it takes real skill and courage to zone off and great timing not to get caught out. Plus the decision to spoil or mark is fraught. Gibson and Rivers are the two best at i reckon (with apologizes to the poster who says that sort of comment is superfluous ie i reckon, in my opinion etc, though in my opinion it is a useful qualifier and helps distinguish fact from opinion)

I disagree, in so far as whilst he is good one on one Gibsons key skill is zoning off his man and coming over the top of packs and spoiling forwards, often with a big punch to the boundary. Howe can do the same but yes he he needs to develop his defensive smarts buts as TMac notes that is what the plan is as he has only had the year down back.

Speed and carry off the HBF is crucial in modern footy, with meters gained an increasingly important stat. Roos identified this as a weakness and noted it was one of the reasons he was keen on HL . TMac, Jnr Mac and Howe all run and carry as does HL. What's Frost like with this? Similarly long penetrating kicks are crucial to beat the flood back and transition it quickly. Howe is an ok kick and so is Jnr Mac apparently. Not sure on others. I can see the Toump playing off hb to help with this What's Harmes's kicking like?

Back for mine. In 2013 he copped plenty on DL for being lazy and unaccountable up forward. Had a much better year in 2014. As TMac notes will only improve his defensive skills with more time down back and if he does i think he can play a similar role to Gibson. Also whlst his set shots are average his field kicking is generally pretty good - long and accurate, which is crucial for us coming out of the back half. TMac sounded pretty unequivocal about him playing back.

I was just about to post exactly the same thing. Great minds and all that.

They're pros. Not getting ahead of themselves and taking it 10 weeks at a time

Great post. Ta. I didn't realise jnr Mac is an above sger like brayshaw. Turns 19 in Feb. Does anyone know what he was doing this year as he must have done vce in 2013?

I heard Hardie on rsn this am. Amazing stuff. Seemed to have chrisso and mm convinced it was a beat up and asada had Nada. This despite them introducing him as a dank confidant and efc adviser. Hardie the Monash legal lecturer

I'll wait until i see what others say before deciding if i know what i mean

Only someone suffering from groupthhink would deny the accurate use of groupthink

is there then scope for them to be supeoned to appear at asada's supreme court hearing (which would possibly then mean there is no need to compel them to testify at the afl tribunal)?

An irony if they get off because Charter and Alvi don't testify or sign affidavits is the choice to drag the case on by EFC will have been an even more of a monumental [censored] up costing, time energy and money

I meant at today's supreme Court hearing. But perhaps they're not appearing?

Redleg if charter and alvi are asked under oath if what they said to asada in their interviews is true and they answer it is, is this the equivalent of an affidavit?

Why are the cats training with cakes?

TBH HH i like it. It's got a nice feel about it. I'm in. But perhaps rather than yelling it every time he goes near the ball i'll start after he hits 25 possessions and/or 3 goals

Like most people i am totally over the EFC saga. However i continue to be intrigued by the different takes slants /perspectives key journos have on it. The media response to this will be studied in years to come. In my view few journos can hold thier head high as so many have been unable to write without a clear agenda. We know the main players: Mick Warner, Slobbo, Chop Le Grand, Caro, John Perik and the bearded grump from Sydney, Patrick Smith. Most will ave their views on who has done a good joob. Mine is Perik, Smith and Caro have been ok but i'm open to the suggestion that perhaps i think that because their views align with mine. One journo though who i have been really disappointed in is Rohan Connoly. Disappointed because as a rule i think he is one of the better footy journos. But his pieces on this affair have been poor and none more so than his latest. I find his attempt and dismmising thouse on both side of the agnda diingenious as his agenda is so evident 9which he anbnoyingly referncs in this arrttoice, getting ahead of the acccisation by namingt it - give me a break). But what i find most annoying in this article (and other EFC apologist articles that equate escaping penalties with proving EFC right) is this line: ' There are diatribes on the other side also long discredited. Ongoing references to the once incessantly referenced, now irrelevant AOD-9604.' A club injecting a drug in large, frequent doses that has not been proven safe for human use is not irrelevant. For me the it is the key point. He goes on to say they have been punished for this. Bollocks. They were punished for bringing the game into disrepute and poor governance. Compare their punishment ot the one the blues copped many years ago for draft tampering (a much less serious charge in the scheme of things). Carlton has barely recovered from those penalties. Bring on Workcover.

Good points. The big diff though to Boyd is scully offered no promise of star power (ie big media presence, glamour etc)

Have you had a sarcasm bypass?

You try running with a dog around your neck!

Rhymes with sharka, which can become sharkattack, or shark for short. So i'm going with SHARK for a nickname. And when he heats up and starts tearing all and sundry a new one one i will yell SHARK ATTACK!!!

About 70 kg's in total