Slartibartfast
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Spot on I reckon Jaded. He was OOC and would be on base plus incentives. Sam would have been on more, perhaps not much, but more.
Given our draft hand for next year we'll never use a future 4th so the cost is nothing and he replaces a player that got us pick 37. Most don't rate either. Good trading I say.
Here is my alternative strategy for pick 13: we are not going to get into the elite end of the draft this year (top 5 or so) and the next batch is "throw a blanket over" material. 2023 draft is looking very strong we have lots of young talent at Casey that needs an opportunity (Turner, Bowey, JJ, Howes, JVR, Chandler all missed R23). We need to give them an opportunity and show them a career path or we will lose them as we have Bedford. we need to position ourselves so we can access some really elite talent, not just good talent. To this end I'd look at trading 13 for a future 1st which teams that are rebuilding might find attractive. We might get something in return like a pick in the 30's. Draft in Grundy, promote Chandler and draft a couple in the 30's or 40's. That leaves us with 3 first rounders next year plus your future 1st for 2024. We also have 2 seconds in 2024. We would then be in a fantastic position in a very good draft to trade up higher to get some really elite talent or trade in a very good player. I think we have enough good core talent both in the team and at Casey to take this approach. I don't think we need to add good but not elite talent this year. If we are to contend well into the future we need access to either the really pointy end of the draft or enough collateral to satisfy a really elite talent trade. Fans would scream but I think it's a great idea. So, there you go, pull it apart.
Most on here think we are being done over by giving then anything but a 4th rounder. With both sides unhappy it probably means it's a fair deal.
I think Hunt's weakness is his lack of lateral movement. Smith has it and offers much greater upside as a result and probably has more tricks. Having said that if you can't get on the park you're no good to anybody. I'd also like to address the Smith v Camerson issue. Yes, Cameron kicked 5 goals. For one Smith was on the bench. Another was when Rivers handballed to Cameron when he was trying to get the ball to Smith and Cameron ran into an open goal. Smith was involved in the other 3. Guess what? Cameron has kicked 3 goals on the best of opponents in one on one's and is a great player who was in great form. Cameron kicked 3 on Hibbo in the final. I'd prefer to have Smith to Hunt on the list. We know Hunt's ceiling and we don't really need it. Smith, if he succeeds, could be a really good player who offers a great deal of versatility. Smith is higher risk for higher reward. For where our list is we can afford that position.
Your evaluation of Hunt is way off the mark which is evidenced by the fact WCE have offered him a three year deal and apparently 3 other clubs asked about him. If he was as poor as you suggest he'd attract no interest, but in fact the opposite is true. Jayden is a competent AFL footballer but is worth more to others than us. Why you have to denigrate someone who has played over 100 games for us and given his all is beyond me and says more about you than perhaps you want us to see.
His brain is and that’s worth more than pace and a rare commodity. I think Jayden has left NOT because of money and contract length but because Goody and the footy department have said he wont play much senior footy next year. WCE on the other hand have offered him a regular AFL spot. It’s probably combined with more money and a longer contract but Jayden will want to play senior footy. In summary it’s all three things but the primary reason is he wants to play AFL footy.
Red Essendon said from day one that they wanted an experienced coach. Brad Scott, who I don't really like, coached NM pretty successfully for a good period of time and got good results whilst severely hamstrung by lack of TPP funds. He's been in the industry all his life. He's headed footy for the AFL and he's competing against blokes that have never coached at senior level in the AFL. They've done their due diligence over a long period and decided, given that other senior coaches have declined to coach and Hird is just too controversial, that Scott is their man if they can get him to agree. He says yes so why wait? It's a no brainer and whilst it's nice to crapp on Essendon they've done exactly the right thing. Do you think NM made Clarko go through an interview process and prove himself? Na, Essendon did the right thing and I think the other applicants would have known that if Scott said yes they would miss.
Unlike most I'm in favour of Hunt leaving. If he's "best 22" then it's only just best 22. We have Bowey, Rivers, Hibbo and Salem who are all capable best 22 players to cover him and I have more faith in Smith than most. Smith clearly has injury issues but I think at least he has significant upside which is far in excess of Hunt's. With the WCE offer we'd have to pay a reasonable amount for a player who is not vital to our team and probably for a significantly longer period than we want to. Not only that but Hunt has clear faults in his game which are not offset by his pace. If we are to improve, we must look to improve our bottom 6 whilst also adding top end talent. Moving Hunt on just replenishes the list, provides opportunities and a career path to plays from Casey and helps our TPP situation. Having said all that, I'll be disappointed to see him go and wish him the best in the west.
If you believe the Port GM.
Maybe you should have listened to your physio.
In my view the key factor that is being missed, or ignored, in much of this discussion is the most important question - what is Grundy worth to us? Many thought we paid too much for May and Lever. Nobody thought that in October last year. We are not privy to the "deal", if in fact there is one yet. We don't know the structure of Grundy's salary, we don't know the extent or impact of his injury on his likely future performance and we don't know what his role will be in the team and how we plan to use him and Gawny next year. We don't know how banged up Gawny is. What we do know is we've made excellent decisions in the past (Langdon, May, Lever, Melksham, Hibberd, Watts, Hogan) and there is little reason to doubt what we do this year. Whatever we give up for Grundy will not be based on how it will help Collingwood, it will be based on how it will help us. Many, understandably, think we have Collingwood over a barrell and want to screw them to the wall. But I don't think we do business like that, I think we'll look at what we need and we'll pay a price to get it that we are happy with. We are not going to be too worried about whether we give up (say) pick 20 or 30 for Grundy because the reality is we know we need him we won't lose that deal for 10 spots in the draft.
Yep that makes sense. Let's get Adam's $500,000 off the books for one year and pay Grundy and extra $300,000 for 5 years so we only have to give Collingwood a 3rd rounder.
Douglas
The only difference is we are a better club now and never put Dogga in front of the media. But I’ll leave it there. Most will understand.
Did you say the same about Tom Scully?
If they pulled the pin on Jackson having offered a significant deal then they lose all cred and no player manager or player would consider them in future.
Thanks for your help Stu. I contacted LG to ask if I could change the Hertz on my TV but you can't. But they told me to change a setting to a thing call "AI" to off and change the aspect ratio to "original". The replays are now at least watchable. I've put this info here to help anyone else who is in the same boat. I contacted LG thru their online chat feature and they were prompt and very helpful. Thanks for everyone's comments and help.
