Dr. Gonzo

Great summary, thanks for that. To make it clear, I don't care if construction commences by end of 2023 if we have a clear pathway towards a solution. I just want a solution - I was only pointing out the 2020-2023 Strategic Plan of the club says they should start construction by end of 2023. If they don't but there is something in place to commence construction by say 2025 I will still be very happy at that outcome.

Who? If you're referring to me I was never a supporter of Lawrence and didn't even vote or send a proxy on the constitutional issue. Don't just troll from the cheap seats instead of actually participating in the discussion. This has been a longstanding issue - our lack of a home base goes back decades. The current board has been fervent in their pursuit of this and making promises of action to members. The Board has performed well and I'm not agitating for any changes - but they are the ones who put this on the agenda. The members deserve some answers on this because they have been promising for years that things are moving and they can't say anything now but within X months etc etc The reason I posted in here is because I've just been reading the Ian Munro book and to see it spelt out how long this has been an issue for and how poor our facilities were for so long and how far we fell behind the rest of the league is extremely frustrating. I want the best for my club and that includes a proper home base with the whole club united under one roof. Again, to reiterate - the board themselves put this on the agenda by including it in our strategic plan. Point 5 of the 2020-2023 Strategic Plan states; * Finish construction of high performance facility at Casey Fields * Start construction of new Melbourne home base facility If they do not get something up and running in the next 12 months they will have failed to meet this stated ambition.

That's a furphy. Who is to say we wouldn't have been more successful with a proper footy/admin base? Who is to say having our admin and footy department in separate locations couldn't cultivate discord between the two? Who is to say that having a training base decades behind other clubs doesn't impact on recruitment or player retention? Who is to say that having no firm base for the club fosters a lack of identity making our enviable culture difficult to embed? Just pointing to last years flag as though that solves decades old issues is a sure way to be back right where we were before too long. We need to capitalise on that momentum not rest on our laurels.

Why wouldn't we be? We're decades behind the league and falling away further every year.

Reading Ian Munro's makes me even more [censored] off at how long this has been going on for. This needs to be sorted out and soon, it is an embarrassment that the oldest club playing out of the MCG still doesn't have a proper training/admin base.

Regretting my choice of Titans now looks like Tannehill out and Malik Wallis starting. Ah well

I think they've announced their divorce officially now Edit

I assume yours is some obscure tribute to "the Duke" Earl Spalding?

Surely that's not legit Edit: it's not 🤣

Dolphins, Pats, Titans Just when the Jets were becoming fun we lose our #1 offensive weapon Hall and AVT - Davis injured too but not sure whether he's ok to suit up this week or not. Zach looked terrible against the Broncos but they do have a formidable defence - I'm expecting similar this week against Belichick on the rebound after losing to the Bears at home (great game!) Belichick has made an art form of making young QBs (and young Jets QBs) look stupid and I expect this to continue on Monday

That is assuming there is a data point that can link the emails to a specific person (membership number, home address, name, phone number). There may be but again, this data in itself is not enough for someone to do much with in regards to hacking - I've just looked up my surname in the White Pages online and it has come up with name, address, phone number of me, my dad, sister, uncle and one of dad's uncles. This information is not really protected as there is not much that can be done with it without passwords or unique/private information such as drivers licence number, passport number, medicare number etc I'm far more concerned about the data that has been breached through Optus, Medibank/ahm and who knows what else in the future. Unfortunately it is a fact of life and it is here to stay, it will only get worse and there is no way to stop it. If governments/multi-billion dollar companies can't even stop some average citizen from downloading pirated movies how will they stop sophisticated scamming/hacking organisations from access sensitive information? If it's electronic it is susceptible doesn't matter how much security or protection is out there. Again, as a member of a member based organisation you have to understand that your contact details may be made available to other members for the purposes of communication around things like this. You may not like it but the law and the Victorian Supreme Court Justice Riordan says it is so. You would need to lobby your local pollie to change the law in regards to this if you're unhappy with it.

But what are you concerned they would have hacked? An email address on its own would not be enough to do anything, people may send you spam email but they would need your email password or get you to click on a link in an email to download a malware program to do the kind of damage you mentioned.

😲 In Search of Space is a masterpiece

Yeah that's what I suspected, solely having access to an email address wouldn't allow that kind of hacking. It sounds like a horrible experience but I don't think there was a risk of that happening in this instance.

It went to the Supreme Court of Victoria where Justice Riordan ruled he had the right to access the email database. If you disagree you should take it up with him.

That sounds extremely stressful and hopefully you were able to sort things out in the end albeit with a few extra grey hairs and hours of lost productivity. Were the hackers able to get into your email account (ie were they able to circumvent the password) or was just having your email address enough to do the damage?

Just go the whole hog and have the entire playing list "active" like they do in the NFL.

I hated Tupac when I was younger but really like him now though I prefer his earlier stuff (2Pacalypse Now my favourite album) - he still has some great stuff later on but got too caught up in the East/West gangster rubbish. Agree on Kendrick, haven't heard of Dave will have to give him a listen.

No, what I initially said was members raise grievances all the time as part of their participation in the democratic process. Eg a member is standing for election to the board they will use it to raise grievances as well as running their own campaign/agenda. You may have interpreted this differently but that was the intent of my comment.

Not moving the goalposts at all, you just didn't clearly comprehend what I was talking about. I said members raise grievances as part of democratic processes all the time, whether they be board challenges, director elections or in this case constitutional reform. Pretty straightforward.

That's the thing though - seen in the context of their time vs compared to everything that came after. Part of my affection for certain artists (whether musical or otherwise) is valuing them in the context of the time and what they helped inspire. Not everyone sees things that way though, it's just about whether they like what they're viewing/experiencing at that moment and for some The Beatles don't hit that mark.

From the information available it seems the club could have saved themselves the money by sending the information out on his behalf but they refused. I'm not a supporter of Lawrence but I am a supporter of open governance.

Agree 100% and not only that has missed goals from less than 20m out on the run with no-one in front of him on multiple occasions.

I saw Rammstein live at the Big Day Out about 10 years ago. Now that was a show! Iggy Pop and Tool played the same show, unbelievable.