Little Goffy

I wonder how much of Treloar's salary they had to agree to pay to get such a good deal from the Dogs? The whole thing smacks of salary cap planning disaster. Maybe they assumed Pendlebury would have retired by now? Well, now they need to him stick around a couple more years.

A nice clear summary (I've removed the pocket fluff details) step 1 swap 4th into third this year in exchange for going third to fourth next year step 2 gain 2nd and third round picks for future second and fourth roud pick step 3 future 3rd rounder for hannan step 4 second rounder for Preuss step 5 gain 25 for 31 and 43 Step 6 Brown in for 33 Step 7 18, 19 and future second, for 25 and future first

25 = 31 + 43 because 25 is actually 28, 31 is 37 and 43 is 52. Ooh, I just realised a whole other way to play the academy pick game. There are several clubs with preferential selections expected to go in the 20s. If we have 25 and their dibs pick hasn't come up yet, they'll be keen to get that pick in live trading ahead of the point where they have to pay out. That wouldn't matter if they could only trade same-year selections but if you introduce a 2021 second round pick into the equation it can work out really well for everyone. They get a pick in the 20s in a draft they would otherwise be excluded from, we get a pick around the 20s in what will very likely be a stronger and obviously much better informed draft. Steak knives change hands to balance it all but the core of it has the style of the modern MFC. It's actuarial-level trading! Would still be nice to have one properly early selection but this deal would be hilarious in its simple-complexity.

As last hours madness rolls in, all we need is for North to trade one of those for Stephenson and Collingwood to decide they want ToMc and we could end up getting it back again.

I'm going to take a wild guess that we are holding our set of 2nd round picks in case a specific combo is needed for either bundling an upgrade to a first rounder or some more pick-swapping shenanigans. It would be unusual for Jason Taylor to not have identified a target or two of particular interest in the first round, so if we need to get to a higher point in the draft we'll do it. By the time the dust settles on draft night, we might actually take no selections in the second round at all, never mind our current three!

Brown for whatever, I'm not too fussed about haggling over a few draft spots in a draft that becomes guesswork within the first round. Seems like the major concern is how efficiently we can move players out, rather than in. I would of course still be sad to see Tom McDonald go but his salary leaves with him and unfortunately that matters. Picks in the 50s or even 60s for the 'respectfully moved on with best wishes' players is fine.

Demons get really good value in the trade and GWS will be perfectly content with their side of the bargain. We've managed to maintain a sustained pattern of that mutual satisfaction with multiple clubs over multiple years. Mahoney's enthusiastic endorsement of Preuss after the deal was done is good form, too. I guess you can feel comfortable doing that when you've got the champion on your list already. Be funny if (and seems likely that) Tom McDonald ends up being traded for a lesser pick as well as with salary subsidy. Trade value is a strange market and I'm glad to have people on hand who are always looking for the small, astute gains.

Over the last 20 years the average premiership player has already played in a premiership. A stat about as useful as a predictor as is 'scored more than their opponents' (Yup) and 'has multiple players who established themselves at AFL level and weren't delisted at 22', which is mostly what that chart tells us.

Angela Merkel will be retiring from politics at some point, she would whip a football club into shape and the sponsorship exposure would be incredible. If you're not constrained by reality, you might as well think big.

I'm pretty sure I'm at least 4 years older than I was eight months ago.

Hogan for pick six turned out to be a huge gain and pick six for May appears to have delivered us a crucial premiership quality key defender and club leader. What I like is that we've also managed quite a few respectable successes that were neither boom nor bust but good value and appropriate for the circumstances. Hibberd, Lewis, Vince, and Melksam in, Frost and Watts out. All good value. I don't think we've really fluffed a trade in a few years. The missing piece now is a couple of bonus free agency signings. But that really only comes when you're already performing and an attractive prospect for 28 year olds looking for less responsibilty and a premiership.

I'm drawing a link in my mind between this and Nathan Jones playing on for 2021. Am I crazy? Casey will need leaders when on-field resources are tight, Jones will need something to do when he's not in that magical last burst of refreshed form that will bring him to a triumphant 300.

Paradoxically, when that day comes this time of year will very much feel like the best times.

I guess my point is in two parts, a) a speculative pick in the mid-season rookie draft is hardly team-defining, and b) You're insistence on superiority over Taylor is at least a year out of date given the acquisition of Jackson, Pickett, Rivers, Langdon, Tomlinson and Bennell in a single off-season, not one of which is the plodding inside mid you believe he needs to 'change his attitude about' this year.

May I just clarify, you're all fired up at the club and proud of yourself for 'knowing' that a player picked in the mid-season rookie draft might not develop to high levels? And you also believe selecting Dunkley shows how Taylor is obsessed with slow inside midfielders... such as Jackson, Rivers and Pickett... and that "He needs to change his attitude for this year." I don't think it even counts for trolling credit if people are smirking when they see your comments.

I guess something positive to take from Richmond getting a third it is the reminder that their success has come from a transformation in the lower half of their best 22, not from needing to gather superstars. They've now got a heap of quality players but you don't look at them and go 'wow'. Check their 2019 best and fairest - Dion Prestia 91 Votes Shane Edwards 79 Dylan Grimes 75 Nick Vlastuin 70 Tom Lynch 69 Dustin Martin 67 Bachar Houli 64 Kane Lambert 63 David Astbury 55 Jason Castagna & Daniel Rioli 47 Rance is the only major difference in the previous years, too. For me the most exciting thing about 2021 is that I might get a chance to visit my Mum. With that in mind, it's never a bad time to thank everyone who has done their best to do the right things in 2020. It's been a tough year and could have been a whole lot harder if the local hospitals had been hopelessly overwhelmed as well.

Irony. The AFL designed free agency on the assumption that players only cared about money, and as a result the clubs with the most resources/money are able to get advantage from the nobler sentiments, ambitions and professional pride of the top players. But that's not to take away from Geelong; a well run and well respected club getting rewards for being well run and respected isn't so controversial. The trouble is the other sentiment, that AFL clubs shouldn't be allowed to die. Right now there isn't enough professionalism and respectability available to sustain all 18 at the top level. Imagine if a club run 1980s style tried to compete in 2020s football!

There's an interesting flux going on with what a 'mental health issue' is. It used to be that anything 'mental health' referred to having a problem within yourself that in some way made participating in life or coping with 'ordinary' stress disproportionately difficult. But I would be surprised if anyone said that it was in any way abnormal or deficient or dysfunctional for someone who has just had the year Rhyce Shaw has had to decide that it would be a good idea to take some time without pressure and scrutiny while you got back to appreciating what really matters to you. No doubt, AFL coaching is one of those niches where what is 'normal' is not 'normal' at all!

A much-hyped Naitanui was invited to the 2008 AFL Draft Camp and his results were impressive. He managed to equal the running vertical jump record previously set by Jared Brennan, but fell short of Trent Croad's standing jump record. His sprint, agility and endurance tests were also impressive. Many media commentators believed that Naitanui was in contention to be taken as the number 1 pick in the 2008 AFL Draft.[6] The Melbourne Football Club, who retained that pick, had looked at Naitanui, but raised concerns about his skill level, in particular his kicking, and instead selected Victorian Jack Watts.

Maybe we need a thread for hindsight drafting, where we have to declare who we would take with our picks from at least 8 years ago.

Where's that .gif when you need it?

Experience at losing finals. Richmond - three losses, no wins, a year out, then boom, premiership. Geelong - three losses, two wins, a year out, then boom, premiership. Colonwood - 50/50 in finals, and then 2 losses one win in 2009. Premiership 2010. Port Adelaide - SIX losses, two wins, over three years, then premiership. Sydney - six losses, three wins over seven years, then premiership. West Coast - three elimination final losses in a row, then runner up, then premiership. Bulldogs - eight losses and four wins over ten years, then premiership. Essendon - five losses, three wins, and five losses two wins, ahead of each of their recentish premierships. The only exceptions in recent history are Brisbane (Merger/Salary cap) and Hawthorn (freakshow / tanking draft pick jackpot) Clearly, we got something wrong by winning two finals in our first return to action. Also, Brisbane's 1w 3l is making them look ominous. And put your house on Geelong with 6 wins 12 losses to build from. What's the saying, to win, first you must know how to lose?

Close the thread before someone pulls a muscle rolling their eyes too hard.

Pretty sure that once you consider things three-dimensionally, Gawn's face was safely 1.5 metres away from anyone else. I strongly suspect that Oliver's laughing was also Gawn related. I really doubt there was a single midfielder Brownlow vote at Melbourne that wasn't being counted towards an unofficial tally for the Ruck/Captain. What did he finish with, thirty something? Would easily have beaten Neale if Brownlow votes were counted 'properly'.

I'd add that they also under-invested in developing that pool. Eyes always on the bling at AFL HQ, and the second-tier game and development pathways have been neglected for far too long.