Adam The God

The definition of hyperbole. You can't be serious?

It's really not that difficult...

The ollllld 'desk pop'. I like it.

I think he's clearly already told them he wants to be traded, but I'm only speculating, with no inside info.

Hang on, hang on. Mate, he's gone. Are you really buying Mahoney's comments today?

We can definitely afford both, so the show continues. PJ comes out earlier and says we have enough room to land another big fish, therefore we could keep Hogan and get May too. This is simply posturing for Freo's sake. Surprised we didn't brief Jones prior to Saturday, but clearly we didn't have time...

Thanks mate. So yeah, that is a very clever way of potentially saying we've been told no for a period of time, but it says nothing about the present or the future. I reckon we're still in with a play for Gaff.

What was the actual quote, because that's a very clever way of saying previously it was a no go, but now things may have changed...

I agree, but I think in time (as early as next year) Salem will move onto a wing. His defensive game is being developed back there to ensure teams can't exploit him going the other way when he does step up to a wing. I'd have Salem and KK on wings next year unless we can get Whitfield or Kelly, in which case I'd keep Salem at half back.

Looking forward to ETTheTradeBreaker having a bit of a photoshop of this and sticking Dom in the corner.... take it away, ET.

Max is the next captain for mine. He should be a co-captain, but the way he spoke at that BnF had leader written all over it.

BT is a muppet though, so no surprises there. Has the insightful capacity of a grape.

The old Rod Grinder Riot Squad.

Did you change your name to Demonland4276 literally after Max said what he said at the BnF?

PJ's speech. ?????

Your entire opinion is based around the assumption that Jesse is the one that drove this. I'm more open to the possibility that a few parties were/are involved. Freo with a tempting offer. Melbourne realising it could improve its list by trading him. Jesse taking that all in and deciding he'd be open to moving. He thinks on it some more and he realises that he'd prefer to go. I wouldn't begrudge him in that situation. So without knowing the full details...

I'm not actually that convinced by this argument. I have absolutely no inside knowledge, I don't know Jesse personally, but from the outside, it seems more complex than 'I've had a hard time, so I want to reset and go back to Perth'. But I could be wrong I guess.

Meh. There are plenty that haven't gone back too. Buddy never seemed to entertain a WA return for example. We just have to create a culture of success that sees that the majority of players we want to keep are re-signing. In the age of FA, no club will ever be entirely immune from shedding players they'd rather keep. FWIW, I reckon Farmer regrets leaving and Thompson never won a flag, so neither of them got (the ultimate) success with their moves home.

IMO this is slightly unfair. I think through 2016 at least he was a B+er, but I completely agree on the conundrum and that's basically what I was getting at. For me he was on the fringe for much of the year and because we had better players on the inside and at half back, the only place we could play him was on a wing. Taylor Duryea. Not sure I'm thinking shallowly at all when I'm acknowledging the difficulty of even leaving him out of the leadership group next year. I want to win a flag, so we should be making list decisions and MC decisions based on ensuring we field the strongest side from week to week. I also want to treat a loyal servant of the club fairly and respectfully. I'd keep him in the leadership group but I don't think he should be captain, because he won't be a walk up starter next year. Despite what Plugger says (:D) I do have an ability to see the player for what he is (we just simply disagree, Plugger) and that's, in his prime, a B+er, but we have improved our list so much and he's grown older and slower, and it's time to make a grown up call on him. As above, that must be handled delicately and intelligently.

I don't hate Jones. I just don't rate him higher than a B grader in his prime. If you take his body of work this year, it's pretty clear he's on the cusp of the 22. I think most would agree with that.

The Pies have lost out on May by the sounds of it.

Posturing. They're hardly going to say we'll do a fair deal. He is their captain. But at the end of the day, they'll take a first rounder. Whatever we can give them.

I'd have Tyson on par with Jones and that's probably being a little kind to Jones. If Jones wasn't captain and a loyal servant of the club he'd be a fringe player next year. As it is, I think the club has some tricky moves to make in regards to him. We certainly can't play Lewis, Jones and Tyson in the one team outside of the centre square. They're all simply too slow. But all are contracted for next year. But at least Tyson has age on his side. Despite the numbers going off the list this off season, I suspect we'd still do a deal on Tyson if we could get one.

You know what. It's not actually the worst idea from Carlton's perspective. Weitering for Tyson and Frost. @Ethan Tremblay what have you heard?

I'm somewhere between you and Dazzle. I accept that it takes all types and Jesse is the polar opposite of a Petracca. He's an introvert, rather than extrovert, but I also align with the 'feeling' that many seem to be expressing here. Yeah, it may seem like the easy thing to say now that he's going, but it is something many of us have either felt before or expressed on Demonland in one form or another over the journey. I don't wish Jesse any ill will, but I don't want any other team compromising my club's potential success. Where that sits, I don't know, but as long as we improve our list, it's potentially a win-win for all involved.