Adam The God

Good post. I reckon we've tried to make the best out of an ordinary situation with Frost. We traded him in at a time when we would have preferred not to pay as much for a player of his lack of quality, but given our list at the time, we had to overpay. Since he's been on the list, we've developed him as best as we could and tried him everywhere, until we realised it was back or bust. The problem with Frost for the last 3-4 years is that it's been clear that the MFC has wanted to play a zone defence, hence the acquisitions of Lever and May. They trialled Omac and Frost in the role May was supposed to play, to very mixed results. They even trialled Dunn in that zone at the back end of 2016. None were sufficient, hence we went after Lever and May. At the back end of 2018, Frost's pace enabled him to cover a player like Hawkins, but ultimately, we went after May because we'd prefer to play May, Lever and a third tall defender. That third tall role has fallen to an undersized and I suspect, slowing down, Michael Hibberd. This is why I'd be happy to keep Frost as depth for that third tall position until a better replacement comes along. Frost is also able to play small, which is handy. I just wouldn't pay the world to make him stay. Furthermore, anyone banging on about Lever not being a KPP, simply doesn't understand how modern footy works. Lever was a gun in Adelaide's incredibly strong zone defence in 2017, with Talia as the lock-down player (May in our current set up) and Hartigan as the third defender. The difference between that Adelaide set up and ours now is that Talia, Lever and Hartigan were all solid kickers. This may have been why we were going after Keath, to play as a more reliable third defender role in a zone system lead by May and Lever. Hibberd doesn't have the size of Keath and therefore could be isolated against a third tall. Keath is closer to the Hartigan type (although taller). It would also release Hibberd to play a kicking / rebounding defender role, which is what saw him earn AA honours in 2017. We all know Frost's pace can work well in the high press system, because he can provide cover for us out back. Where Frost falls down in the zone system though, is when our team isn't pressing high or the opposition team is controlling play. He gets lost in these situations with his lack of footy IQ. I think it's relatively clear we've wanted to play the following set up for a while now: Jetta (lock down on a small) -- May -- third tall defender (Frost at the moment) Hibberd -- Lever -- a kicker / set up player / quarterback (Salem at the moment - Laird at Adelaide) Given who we seem to be targeting, we'd prefer to get a more reliable defender in to that third tall role (hence Hore) and keep Salem and Hibberd as quarterbacks. Frost should be depth, but could be very handy depth if we are hit by injuries again. My concern is that one player shouldn't make us play in a different way. As Clarkson, Simpson, Buckley and even Lyon have shown in recent years, system should win out and direct the way a team plays, rather than a single player.

I'd take him...

How so?

He looks [censored] off. Interesting time to put this interview out. I didn't hear a great deal about him taking much responsibility for the season, but anyway, we'll see how we go.

Yep, he's kicked 15.27. Outrageously inaccurate, but to have that many shots on goal he's doing something right. As for Oliver fumbling @Redleg I think we watch different games. Oliver's kicking efficiency could get a whole lot better, as could his two-way-running, but IMV he rarely fumbles.

At the end of 2017, Cripps was ahead of Oliver. At the end of 2018, Oliver was ahead of Cripps. At the end of 2019, both had incredibly consistent seasons. I'm not saying Oliver can't get better, he definitely can, but in my book, he's every bit as good as many on the list I quoted.

I'd keep him, because you can't delist everyone and there are amazingly many others I'd let go of before him. He needs a very defined and simple role that utilises his skill set. I'd stick him on a wing and play run-with-roles, and link up play. But the message would be 'keep it simple and really use your running asset to your advantage'.

Cripps doesn't hit the scoreboard that much better. He kick 13.6. Oliver kicked 4. Those two are neck and neck for mine and every bit A graders. Bontempelli is a different player, doesn't get it as much although his touches are just as influential. For the record, Bontempelli kicked 15 and averaged 26 disposals. Neale kicked 12. Sidebottom 10. I think Oliver is absolutely as good a player as Neale and Cripps. He may not have the hurt factor of Bontempelli or Sidebottom, but I'd argue Sidebottom has better players around him.

I wouldn't mind noting in this thread who might make a good senior coach. We'll need a back up option in 2020 pretty quickly, I fear.

I go every week mate, but I also work a very busy job, so I don't think I'll be doing that. But perhaps you could, if you want to dispute it.

Lever is usually a very reliable kick. Maybe not so much this year, but as a rule... otherwise, I obviously concur mate.

Frost definitely improved this year and was certainly top 10, maybe even top 5, but we finished 17th. Anyone saying they'd be shattered or what have you, if he left, has completely lost touch with reality. He still gives up almost as many goals as he saves. If Sam wants a better offer and we can get a more solid best 22 player in, pull the trigger.

Yep, Ellis Yolman has pace and could be handy on the outside. Ah Chee, likewise.

I hope we snaffle up Ben King. Fingers crossed we've advanced talks further.

Ah. Haven't watched a single AFL program this year. I don't watch AFL media when we lose and since we barely won, I didn't watch a single ep all year. Interesting they confirmed it...

When you say officially, there's been nothing official on the website.

I know it's still early, but there's a distinct lack of riddles in the last 24 months. Do better, Demonland.

This thread is as sad as me reading 26 pages of the Grand Plan for the Yarra Park Training HQ on a Saturday afternoon. Can we close it?

Fair enough. I just don't think we know all the details, so couldn't really fully comment with authority.

It might be an unpopular opinion mate because you've got no idea of the details in his case. Not only, I presume, are you not a doctor, but you also, I presume, have no inside knowledge of Kade's case. You're really not qualified to make an assessment on the concussions. I read your post as 'you've got to be a bit tougher', but I don't want to put words in your mouth. It does seem like this is your insinuation though.

Agreed. Hore is a turn over merchant. Very good intercept marker though and has nice courage.

Well, I guess you could look at Chris Scott's Geelong, but I think game style is a big failure at our club in 2019 and that falls at the feet of the coach.

I agree that some of our crowding stems from panic and a loss of confidence, but I also wonder how much of that is game style-directed. To swarm each and every contest. I think it's a failure of the game style, unless you have cover out the back.

Another who could play wing too and add to outside pace. A little soft IMO, but wingers usually are. And the Basil clue would work for Toby Greene if he was an FA and not signed up for another 4 years.

I'm sure we do. We've been very good in this area and ahead of the pack in terms of the new AFL systems in place. Landing Oliver and Weideman in the same draft was a perfect example.