Adam The God

If he wants to go... why would we trade Jackson?

You don't think we play the style we do to suit the list we have? Getting Naughton could allow us to go more central, provided we have the crumbers. The way Naughton launches at the ball, it makes it easier for their crumbers or he marks it.

It depends on our list management strategy. Do we want to continue to bring in youngsters to extend our window beyond 5 years or do we go really hard over the next 5 years? Already have Brown and TMac on the verge of retirement. Adding Gunston instead of another younger development player to partner with JVR and say Naughton will depend on the answer to the above question. Gunston also has a checkered recent injury history, so we'd be gambling on 3 talls near 30 with injury clouds. Not great list strategy IMO.

I don't disagree with that as per my post. I was referring to your mentioning of Trac and needing more than 30k to get up on game day.

Bring in Darcy to play alongside JUH and Lobb to play the ruck/forward rotating with English. Weightman at their feet and that's a dangerous forwardline even next year.

I think if you watch the replay, the angle changes didn't actually improve the 1v1s up the ground, but enabled them to move the ball through our zone in the middle of the ground. Collingwood also kicked down the line numerous times to our talls and we didn't get it done. What teams have managed to do is restrict Max's marking behind the ball. And then our guys failed to win the resultant ground ball.

That's rubbish from Trac though. How did they go in Round 11 last year against the Bulldogs in an empty stadium? No doubt the Collingwood crowd played a factor, but if our mob wants to be a great team beyond 2021, they need to be able to do it in high pressure atmospheres. The previous week they managed in a hostile environment...

Spot on. I reckon the defenders need to win more contests. May rarely wins 1v1s anymore, whereas last year he was impenetrable. Petty had his worst match for the year and Lever was mostly unsighted. But we also need more pressure up the ground, both forwards and mids. Does anyone have our post clearance numbers for the season and the Collingwood match? That will tell us a lot. Post clearance pressure rushes the opposition and brings our interceptors behind the ball into play. We've been smashed for ground ball gets too in both games against Collingwood. That all said, kick straight and it's game over. I think we've evolved too much. We sit our zone deeper from kick outs; we play Max more forward (out of necessity due to TMac's injury); and we've started handballing more than we did (as we don't trust our forwards to bring the contest up the ground, but it invites more pressure). The idea that we haven't tweaked is nonsense. We haven't completely changed our game plan, but we've made tweaks everywhere, which you call for in this post RE Clarkson. Bizarre.

What are you talking about mate? Salem, Gawn x2 and Fritsch all missed regulation shots at goal from 20-25m out. That's the game right there.

He's lost it as a finisher. Even that easy one around his body on the left he used to gobble up and he's no chance from 50 anymore.

We had zero bounces to 8 last night and our defenders struggled in ground balls. I'd bring Bowey in for Hunt, because Jake is incredibly clean below his feet, takes the game on and is a beautiful kick. We needed more run off half back last night. The other stat that is telling is they were 10+ for tackles inside 50 (18 to 8), of which I think Elliott kicked all 4 of his goals from. I wouldn't be surprised if 6 or 7 of those tackles inside 50 came in the first quarter or so for us, which shows how easily Collingwood were allowed to exit the ball from our A50. I haven't been a fan over the journey, but it's likely they'll bring Joel Smith in at the expense of Melksham. Smith with play defensive forward and he's actually got some good attributes to play that role. He can bring the ball to ground, cover the ground quickly (apply forward 50 pressure) and can kick a goal. So it's Bowey and Smith in for Melksham and Hunt. Kozzy, Spargo and ANB need to get the job done for four quarters inside 50. We probably missed Harmes' tackling pressure too, so who goes out for Harmes?

Is Optus Stadium a narrow ground? I'm not sure it is.

I'm not sure why we'd be tweaking our system to be honest, because it's not our system that's losing us games. It's an inability to win contests and last night it was an inability to take simply chances in front of goal. I maintain that if we're on, teams can't get through us. At forward 50 stoppage, we did actually push up most of our defenders right up when we were inside 50 and left 2 or 3 deeper with one as an anchor. But the ball came out of our attacking 50 far too easily- see the lack of forward 50 tackles again. Early on in the game we crunched Daicos at half back a couple of times, but for the majority of the game, we let them get it out too easily. Another thing I've noticed against us is teams are happy to get a scrappy kick out of D50 providing it goes to ground, so it can't be intercepted. It's then about pressing the next contest or Melbourne player that is zoning off and trying to get the ground ball that results from the scrappy kick. I think @Watson11's post above about sitting the zone deeper is spot on, although that seemed to be more from kick outs. When there was a forward 50 stoppage for us, we actually pressed our zone pretty high as I said above. So maybe it's about sitting the zone a little higher to defend kick outs?

My opinion was it was a dopey thread, because you've gone the early crow. Reactionary if you like. But are you saying you're the only one allowed an opinion?

Someone with a screen name "COVID Dan" creates a dopey thread. Fancy that.

We kick straight and it's a comfortable win. I don't think this undermines the loading discussions. That said, we were very poor in the second half.

Kick straight and we win comfortably by 5 or so goals. We always threatened to lose games last year with poor goalkicking. That was my one concern heading into last year's finals series. The Bulldogs round 20 game in particular, but you could argue this year poor goalkicking has cost us against Sydney, Bulldogs and now Collingwood. The most glaringly obvious was tonight's game though. Collingwood played out of their skins. Their pressure was elite and we let them transition too easily at times. But we shouldn't be losing that game. It's fixable if it doesn't become mental. Really poor result though obviously and now we could well miss the top 4.

Given the drugs stuff though, would he have the respect? I'd hate him anywhere near our club. But agree, if Yze goes, we need the best.

No, he like everyone else, just needs to play his role.

Totally different game nowadays. Let's just get the job done.

It means you can be shut down more easily. Shut down the two keys and it goes a long way to beating you. I'd rather have more unpredictable goal sources.

And then McKay down the other end. In 2 years time their spine looks pretty good. Have they nailed their midfield picks over the last few years is the question?

Wow, so Cadman at 2. Righto. Interesting. He probably goes West then.

I'd send him to Maynard or Howe. Moore will surely go to Brown.

I don't think it's any different to most games in 2021...