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Simple answer: The culture. That's why we will never have a champion. It's the culture. We need a base, and a different way of off-field leadership imo.

...but will the MFC?????

win against the eagles at subi in 1998 after 95 and 86 point losses against geelong and st. kilda. Also, Carlton win in first week of finals in 1994 is up there. 2nd vs 7th and we were just absolutely superb all day. one of the greatest melbourne victories i've seen in twenty years.

It was a 9 before the saints game. It's about 2 now. Only because we started 0-3 last year and still did ok. if not for that to look back on, i'd be negetive 100

C'mon demonds, we've got the feeling, you've got me standing on my feet! Awwwww cmon! C'mon demonds, blah blah blah, cause u make me feel so great! it's time now, to show them how, we've got time, to celebrate C'mon Demons!

times like this i hate to love the melbourne football club.

We've struggled with all of them in the side anyway, so your theory is flawed. We lost to Carlton in round 1 with almost a full side, didn't we?

Disappointed is an understatement. We can all come in here and say that Sydney started off poorly the last two years and still made the granny twice, winning once. But, we're arent Sydney. And considering the past 5 or so years of the MFC, I really doubt that we will end up like Sydney. You only have to look at the past three years to say that we will eventually hit our peak, be considered a threat, before knocking off early again. Can anyone really see anything else happening?

He has not had a consistent run of good games since probably 2002, his best year imo. He has never been shocking per say, but has had little influence on many occassions, Monday being one. I'd say it's 30/70 (good games to average)

Honestly, any mark we hit now, we could have had, I believe around 1-2000 more had we actually played with passion the first two rounds.

lol 45!???? You'd have to think atleast a 10 goal win!

Bruce is a leader. And he always will be. He needs to lead by example. He was in our best on Monday. I admit that. But Davey and Jonno weren't and we've played two games we should of won and played very poorly, and these high end and highly ranked players did nothing, for the 2nd week in a row. You don't think they should be made an example of? Why should players like Godfrey and Brown be dropped and play at sandy, when they seem to be the only ones who appear to play for the jumper. they shouldnt be made an exmaple of. what will that achieve. Nothing. I get more out of Godfrey putting in a game where he plays at his best, which he pretty much did on Monday, then watching Green spend 90% of the day standing with his hands on his hips on the southern stand wing, when HE is meant to be one of the guys leading this club. You can laugh at me wanting those players dropped, but it will put them in the situation where they know they can't afford to play games with little to no effort because that's not what leaders do. Jonno has never appeared interested in 10 seasons. And you've still seen how good he can play. Send him to sandy. Make him know what it takes to be Godfrey for a week, play as hard as u can and play above your standard just to play on the MCG. It hurts me when I pay to see our leaders, our higher ended players do nothing, 2 weeks in a row, when we needed them, and players coming in from Sandy who do a lot of the work.

It's quite scary when 3 of these players are in your top 6 6. Miller 5. Godfrey 4. Ward 3. Jones 2. Bruce 1. Bell

Any coach wouldn't stand for this garbage. From a fans perspective, it seems that the type of locker-room mentality is far off from every other of the 15 AFL clubs. Be it playing only for money or playing for the sake of it, each player has to be put on notice. If I were coach, and fair enough many of you will totally disagree and laugh at me, but I wouldn't think twice of dropping Bruce, Green, Yze, Jonno and Davey. They have consistently been off the radar when they shouldn't be. None of them are superstars. None. Bruce and Jonno probably had the biggest chances of getting into the category, but they've passed that stage now. If Daniher can't come out and say that those players, and name them, are playing like dogs, then he just doesnt have the ability to lead a team to a premiership. If every other premiership coach can do that, he has to as well. Put them on notice. Let them know it's more than just a pay cheque.

Yep, I totally agree. And he shouldnt be in the seniors at Melbourne. And the fact that Yze had to come foward and ask to be dropped before Daniher even got to do it says alot about nothing.

Have we even seen his best? How do we know? His personality matches his game; uninterested and lack-si-dazy. He is one of the biggest disappointments in the AFL over the past decade. It has nothing to do with faith. It has everything to do with me being logical; based on the MFC history and past, I cannot see him lifting next week, or anytime soon. In saying that, Melbourne will lose again next week. Don't come here and say I don't have faith. I have hope and in some cases, it's more acceptable to have that then faith, because you can believe in something although you have absolutely no logical way of showing it will happen. For 10 years, TJ has come out and always seemed like he is playing below his best. Always. You can't argue that. 3rd or 4th or whatever in the brownlow or not, he has the kick, the abilitiy and the strength to be the best player in the league, but he plays for money, not for success. His a gambler, always will be; he gambles his money, and he gambles our hope and support. And don't talk to me about having "faith" in the mfc. I'm at EVERY melbourne game and get to interstate games when I can. You're more of a fan to admit the wrongs then you are if you can only admit the rights.

I think that the first 2 games of the season were 2 games we needed to win. I can see us going 0-8. If that happens, I'd expect Daniher to be gone after 0-5.

I personally don't think it is his problem directly, but I honestly think, and I always have, that the Demons low quality training facilities (as compared to most other clubs) is the cause of the continuous soft tissue injuries we are plagued by.

To think that and say it aloud is pretty much admitting you have not been a melbourne fan for very long. I can say with little to no doubt that Melbourne will play the same way against the Cats as it did the past 2 rounds, and Jonny will improve slightly, but still play way below par.

Agreed. I was actually going to make a thread along these lines of how we won't win a premiership with Bruce, Green, Robbo etc. leading this team. Bruce needs to fix his kick up; it's terrible for a player of his status, although I've always believed he is overrated. Green is too inconsistent and he never has that "outstanding game" we all thought we'd see often when he first came to the club. I've been saying for years that he is probably our most tradeable asset. Davey is a flash of light but plays in the wrong position. Until Daniher realises he needs to be in the centre for EVERY BOUNCE, he will be underused and wasted. White is a warrior and is loved by the Demon faithful and still has probably 3 or 4 years left. However, I believe from here on in, he will play less in the ruck and more up foward; in saying that, he should be played out of the goal square. Johnstone is quite possibly the biggest underachiever in the history of the game. His kick is outstanding when good, but disappointing when off the mark. His personality matches his game; never seems interested. Brock McLean should be our next captain. There should not be any question there. I cringe at the thought of a player who often backs out of contests and sounds like a 12 year old when he opens his mouth being MFC captain. I'm talking about Bruce. Also, he has NO leadership quality; he might look good on the ground but he barely carries the team when he has the oppurtunity too. To go from Neitz as captain and then to Bruce would be an injustice to whole leadership concept. McLean in my eyes is the only candidate with a few possible troops as vices. Jones has been in and under more in 9 AFL games than Bruce has in his entire AFL career.

James Cook.

I estimate about 26, 500 I seriously think the game last week cost us maybe 500 memberships. If we lose this week, it will be another number. I know that if I wasnt a member and I was going to pay up last friday night, I would have kept it off for another week.

I can tell you straight out that his decision to play for Geelong is souley based on one thing; he likes to surf.

you have weird dreams. i normally dream about naked...marge

And 3 of them went on to win the premiership.