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Well they can't move the whole team on... Jones, Watts, Grimes, Garland, Dunn should all be put up for trade. It should be a KPI for Roos and the list management team to trade all of them. Their ineffectiveness during a match drives the rest of the team. I seriously think a team led by Vince, Brayshaw, Hogan, VB, Petracca, McDonald, Salem is infinitely more attractive than the current boys club from the Bailey and Daniher years. Look at the Bulldogs. Seriously, if there aren't major changes and legitimate talent brought in, then you have to question the viability of the club has a whole if it can't attract players.

If Roos doesn't seek or entertain trades for Jones, Dunn, Garland, Watts and Dawes, then I'll really question him. We can't move on with losers leading the club. Move them all on.

Lol no he won't. Will be down the bottom so long as he's captain.

I didn't go to the Essendon win in 2012. I actually chose a booty call over it, which turned out to be a bad choice for two reasons... Anyway, after missing that game I promised myself that I'd stick with the club and go to every game in Melbourne when I could, because I wanted to be there for the special wins. I've missed a few this year because of work but they were all loses. But yesterday was it for me. I'm not going to a game again until we string 3 wins in a row together. I have a right to jump on the bandwagon whenever I want. I was in Geelong for 186 and I have been completely disenchanted since, but I have seen the corner and waited for the club to turn it. It hasn't. I could never support another team but Melbourne has made me hate AFL. I am not until it says at least "LLWWW" under "Last 5" on the ladder. They're not getting my time or money anymore. I need a tangible product to buy in to.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Jones asks for a trade ala Griffin. Tbh I think it would be best for both parties.

They are not unskilled. They are uncommitted.

Forget about an apology from the club. My poor girlfriend, grew up in France and Singapore in her later high school year, is now a diehard supporter. I was in Germany two weeks ago and she went to the North game alone. I'm in Seoul now and she went today, alone. She left at half-time. I actually apologise to her. What have I introduced her to?

Forget about what I remember. The past is the past. What's sad is that I have forgotten what it feels like to go to a game genuinely confident and EXPECTING to win. Last time was around 2006. It's nine seasons. BTW, as it stands, we are the worst performing club of all teams with the exception of the expansion clubs over the past 10 years, and the second worst club over the past 20 years. Can you believe that? 20! We made six finals series in that time. That's how bad the past 9 seasons have been.

I'm sorry, but it's not rocket science to get a person up and running at elite fitness. This is not a Misson problem. Looking for one scapegoat is not the answer. It's a broader cultural problem and until those that epitomise that culture are gone,it will persist. We can't keep killingthe careers of innocents who have no control over things like effort and desire.

Truly an indictment on the league. I called the Geelong win an anomaly and we have been shocking since, with the Collingwood game the exception. The Brisbane game was awful and had we played them today they'd have won by 10 goals. Just look at how they dismantled Carlton. We are still the worst "team" in the league. Anyone that's been at the club pre-2010 should be moved on asap.

He goes through the motions and always has. Best player for 8 years by a mile yet struggled to crack top 100 in AFL. Has fumbled the leadership this year at a time when we needed him to take his game to another level. I think this year shows he's just not all that good. He was the air freshner in a shitty, dirty toilet.

Hold the phone...the fans that said they'd walk away after 10 years of crap are interested now that the players care?

He did it a few times last year and this year, though. Talking about how there was obvious a tendency to regress into old ways as a product of being shot from the last few years. When he said that everyone was down his throat. He tows the line because he plays it safe. What's to gain from blasting the players in public? I thought saying the players were already in Bali last week was an attack on the playing group, and it hasn't worked. 186 is still a lingering psychosis on the playing group. All those involved should be moved on. Otherwise we will stay in neutral and continue doing this.

Or if they didn't train well.

Deelusional.

This is what I'm most worried about. Jackson said after the Brisbane game how important it was for us to say to sponsors, "we have more wins, we have improved." Membership is nice for revenue but it's a small part of the pie. Anyone that didn't think this game was big for the club needs to think about the bigger picture. The club needs a better product going into the off-season. The players are effectively killing the club's sustainability. Fitzroy fans boycotted the club because they thought the playing group didn't try. They simply didn't have the cattle, but they fought till the end. Melbourne has the talent but a rotten culture and stigma attached to the brand. We smell like a burning Fitzroy but we taste different.

I think that after a decade we are in a position to walk away justifiably.

Jones, Dunn, Watts, Garland, Dawes all need to continue their careers elsewhere. They are far too influential on the narrative of a match and they dictate the tone. They are losers and should either be allowed to leave, or traded. Our rebuilds will stay in neutral until the players part of 186 and 148 are gone. McDonald is the exception. Bailey and Daniher era players should not be part of our future. They are part of an era that we need to eradicate from the club mantra.

He should have been traded last year.

I actually think the league is obliged to give us a priority pick and help us land a star. We are an indictment on the league. We have the arguably one of the best off-field teams in the league. PJ, Roos. We have coaches, facilities, and someone, profit. We have a great young squad. We have talent, stacks of it. But pulling on the Melbourne jumper has a stigma attached to it.

Guys, when you're second to the ball, when you play soft and lazy, you give away bad free kicks. Poor teams tend to get the rough end of the stick from umps for this reason. We are just a bad team.

Does anyone know if they trained hard this week?

I'm done. I'm not buying a membership again until there is a consistent, week on week quality. I'll buy one mid-season if that's the case. I feel sorry for people working off-field. My purchasing options now are performance based: perform, and I buy a membership. I deserve being able to make that choice. I deserve being able to jump on the bandwagon. We all do.

Best in what regard? Intent? Simon Godfrey had intent. He is our Ritchie Vandenberg.

He epitomises the losing culture.