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OK you can have Jarrod Grant, Lachlan Hansen and Scott Gumbleton. I suspect you wouldn't take them...

Hardly 50 games between the first two and another one that hasn't even been drafted yet....

Well thought out rebuttal Stuie. Feel free at any time to address my statement.

We were 1.5 games out of the 8 after rd 17. Didn't deserve to get in the 8 but we weren't that far out of it.

That is compete bulltish. There are dozens of posters here at Demonland who know what is happening in the inner circle of the club.....

Wow. Beamer haters? Not sure if you were referring to my post but as I stated I mostly love his work on the field. He is classic good ordinary player and tremendous part of our team. He doesn't tear oppositions apart which in his position and with his experience he should do against more than weaker teams. I am simply making statements about his leadership. Two different things. As for the Bartram comparison, Bartram is a defender against the oppositions most dangerous small player, he is not the type to drag us back into the game when we are getting pole-axed. Neeld clearly knows what he wants in leaders and I suggest he knows them a lot better than we do as watchers from afar.

Misleading stat. Effective hit outs which are a very low number. We were 3rd last for inside 50s. Largely due to midfield. It's clear from the pre-season work we have done under Misson that we weren't fit enough to run back and cover off teamates (a la Pies and Saints). Hopefully this year we have the fitness base to deliver a game plan. Aside from the game when he had 20 or so clearances Beamer did not really damage opposition teams.

I preface this by saying I love Brent Moloney's work on field. But Moloney is not a leader. He is vocal and he is in an under but he is a bit of a flat track bully that can dominate weaker teams but be completely cut out of the game when we play good teams. He doesn't appear to be, on his record, a player who can drag us back into the game when we are getting beaten. We cannot see what goes on behind closed doors but I have to assume that what Neeld sees he doesn't think of him as a leader. Have you ever thought that maybe he didn't want to be leader? People can lead in different ways and you don't always need a title to lead. actions and deeds are important. Or it simply could be they wanted a clean break with the past. Or maybe the two Jacks were simply better all round candidates. FInally If you have ever listened to Brent speak he isn't the most articulate person around. This may have been a deciding factor. So I haven't heard from inner sources but to me I wasn't surprised.

Has had a good pre-season and by all reports is looking at that Chris Yarran, Leon Davis type of role. A real smokey for us to be the bolter of the year.

Maybe you need to write more - like stating where your 'fact' came from.

How does that work? Add 'em all up? Average? Top 5 tallest players? Just curious where that statement of fact came from...

Do you guys think there are 20 or so major sponsors out there waiting for the once in a lifetime opportunity to sponsor the Demons? Do you think that sponsors might know if they wait until week 1 they will get a better deal? Do you think the club are sitting in their office waiting fo rthe phone to ring? Sponsorships are very difficult to negotiate and deliver on.

Wasn't trying to be a smart alec about:) They are difficult to deal with and one thing I have learned is it ain't over until it's over. When it's signed you can relax because up until that point anything goes. But there is no doubt the CHinese companies are looking at this market for sponsorship.

Hisense arena?? A multi million dollar 6 yr deal.... Jan 24: China Southern Airlines has signed on as the sponsor for the Sydney Festival for the next three years and believes Australia is on the cusp of a travel boom that will see one million Chinese visiting Australia by 2020.

We lost Wellman with one year of his contract left. Clubs also ditch coaches at will so they can hardly be upset if ithappens the other way..

Only if they want to use them this year.

Agree Stevie J but Milne nowhere near elite IMO

That bit ain't right. It is well known that Rivers one-on-one is vulnerable. Heard ratten talk - he expected JR to play on Waite and Rattens instructions were to take him back to the goal square and have everybody clear out. he has great strengths but that isn't one of them.

Why don't Carlsum ever get mentioned in tanking debate?? 3 wooden spoons in a row. Losing the last 11 games to get C Judd (who had todl them he was leaving West Coke) as well as the infamous Kruezer Cup. Teams for years have sent players off to surgery, tried them in differnt positions etc. DB did not tell the players to lose.

Really??? They didn't learn a game plan under DB. At least they didn't play like they knew what a game plan was. Finer points??? I would say it has ben de-constructed and is being put together again. The difference being that under DB they didn't pick up a ball until around February (gotta work on building their bodies up!). Neeld has been doing game simulations since very early on. Well need it.

Leaders lead. We have two outstanding young leaders and they will lead. Thats why they were chosen That doesn't stop BM or Rivers, Davey or Green being an on-field leader though. It would still be expected of them.

You are totally missing the point. It seems clear from what I read that the players had been whining for some time about C Schwab interfering in the footy department. Don didn't bring anything on. He was tryingto find out why the players were 'up in arms'. The phrase 'lunatics running the asylum' comes to mind...

I think the club's actions would disagree with your view strongly. You don't pick leaders to play at Casey FFS.

"So much of the footy" as you say is simply not supported by the facts. Which is why it gets people so riled. Here they are for you: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-melbourne-demons--cale-morton There is no column for hard ball gets but there doesn't need to be. He plays a free player largely so gets 'cheap' possessions in the backline. I can't see the elite skills that posters talk of here. I agree with Dandeeman that his development has not been helped by getting games without merit. People will say the same of Jack Watts but I don't buy that - he has shown so much more commitment to a contest as well as elite skills. It's just my opinion and I'll watch and hope that I am wrong.

When exactly has he been on? And BTW he has been a member of the starting 18 consistently.