Everything posted by Fat Tony
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Welcome to Demonland: Jacob Van Rooyen
Van Rooyen looks more likely to be a key defender at AFL level given his athletic profile and size. 194cm without great speed or endurance or leap. Who is the best current comparison as a AFL forward? Tex Walker? If he becomes a defender, hopefully he can turn into a Petty or Hurley type player.
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Getting Real Value Out Of The Draft
To get real value out of the draft we should consider trading out of #17/19 to GCS who have a stack of future picks. They need to take another pick with Greenwood heading to North. I know everyone wants to open their Christmas presents early, but there is a price for that. Look at what GWS managed to receive by trading out of a similar pick last year. If GCS were to offer the GCS F1 for #17/19 plus Mel F2 we should consider it. Or #17/19 for 2xF2 & 2xF3. If we do go to the draft, I would prefer it we go for a midfielder or small forward with our first pick. I think we have shown that we can recruit good/great key position players via trades and I think Weideman can still make it with a bit of luck. Also, Jackson is such a unique player that he (and Gawn) enables us flexibility to play a forward line with one or two other talls.
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Best Player to wear #24 since 1964.
Robbo kicked 419 goals and is fourth on the all time goal kicking list and only 7 behind Garry Lyon. He was the only 24 since 1964 to win a B&F (I think). I didn't see Ross Dillon play but Robbo has a much better CV for Melbourne.
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Dermott’s 2022 flag prediction
Hawthorn looked dead in 1990. Carlton looked dead in 1994. Geelong looked dead in 2010.
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Welcome to Demonland - Pick 17
Think we’ll be close or be able to swap a future fourth rounder to make it work. It will also depend on where Woewodin goes. I don’t think it matters that much if we get pushed back a pick or two next year anyway given we have already traded out of the first round.
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Congratulations Max
Love how the skipper has used his first born child to put the heat on Clarry to sign a contract extension.
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Mac Andrew
I highly doubt we would take him at pick 17->19. If he is still there we will hope he slides an extra pick to pick 21 and we get him for a discount.
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AFL Season Opener 2022
The season opener should always be the top two Victorian sides at the MCG.
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Hawks on the Slide: How Mitchell is making life hard for himself
The Norm Smith Curse is over. The Clarkson Curse has begun. Long live the Clarkson Curse!
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Welcome to Demonland: Taj Woewodin
Looks identical to Shane!
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Mac Andrew
Gawn was AA in his seventh season. English has played only five.
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WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - OSKAR BAKER
Baker was lucky to get a new contract IMO.
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Bobby Hill
He went at #24 and I would think he’s worth about the same but it depends on the depth of the draft pool. Could be worth #15-30.
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Bobby Hill
Bobby Hill looks a player to me and fits our needs. I would be keen but he’s probably worth a late first round or second round pick.
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Mac Andrew
The real key to winning an AFL flag is to have players which are outperforming their salaries. Grundy is a top 20 player in the competition but is paid like top 5 and has a negative value contract. Buddy is one of the greatest players ever but now has a negative value contract. With free agency and player mobility being at an all time high, it makes less sense to take a skinny ruckman, particularly one which will take 3 years to become an AFL player and 8 years to reach his physical peak. Andrew might become one of the best players in the draft, but there is a decent chance that the club that drafts him is not the one that bares the fruit. Look at Tim English for the Bulldogs. He is looking like one of the best players in his draft and might take the mantle off Max Gawn. (English has shown a lot more than Gawn did in his early years and is now being paid a decent wage on potential.) But he has been badly exposed in two finals campaigns and the Dogs have missed out on flags, in part, due to their ruck weakness. Andrew strikes me as a poor investment for an early pick in the draft. He will take a long time to develop and then, if all goes well and he stays and his club and hits his peak, he would command a high wage. That all said, it will only take one club to pick him inside the top 20 and we will miss out here.
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Mac Andrew
The issue with Andrew is he is so skinny. His profile says 70kg, which is at least 2 years from being strong enough for AFL. He doesn’t have the foot skills of Cox, so he probably won’t be able to play as a winger. It has taken Aliir till 27 to reach his peak and he was 90kg when drafted.
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AFL Trade Period
Isn't our future third embargoed as we have traded our future first?
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Welcome to Demonland - Pick 17
The trade has cost us value in the range of pick #4-65 to shift the pick forward, but assuming we finish in the top 8, the cost is worth #40-65. One side advantage of holding a pick inside 20 is it slightly increases the chance of Andrew falling out to 21. (We won't get him otherwise.) We have been doing draft swaps which look bad in terms of value but then nailing the draft (Pickett and Bowey). It would be a terrible strategy if Taylor and co were not so successful.
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Welcome to Demonland: Luke Dunstan
I know Cerra has more potential, but Dunstan could be as good for us over the next two years and cost us nothing in terms of picks and less in cap space. Statistically they were very similar in 2021. Name Adam Cerra Luke Dunstan Team Fremantle St Kilda Origin Eastern Ranges Woodville West Torrens Date of Birth October 7, 1999 January 29, 1995 Age 21yr 11mth 26yr 8mth Height 188cm 185cm Weight 84kg 84kg Games 18 12 Kicks 13.9 14.1 Handballs 9.2 11.2 Disposals 23.1 25.2 Marks 5.2 4.2 Goals 0.3 0.1 Behinds 0.6 0.3 Tackles 2.6 4.9 Hitouts 0 0 Inside 50s 5 5 Goal Assists 0.8 0.2 Frees For 1.2 1.5 Frees Against 0.7 1.6 Contested Possessions 8 11.2 Uncontested Possessions 15.3 13.9 Effective Disposals 15.9 16.7 Disposal Efficiency % 68.80% 66.30% Clangers 3.3 4.2 Contested Marks 0.1 0 Marks Inside 50 0.4 0.2 Clearances 3.6 5.8 Rebound 50s 1.6 0.9 One Percenters 1.3 1.5 Bounces 0.1 0 Time On Ground % 76.1 82.7 Centre Clearances 1.1 2 Stoppage Clearances 2.4 3.8 Score Involvements 5.3 4.5 Metres Gained 407.3 366.6 Turnovers 4.3 5.4 Intercepts 2.8 3.8 Tackles Inside 50 0.3 0.7 AFL Fantasy Score 87.3 94.6 Supercoach Score 90.1 92.2
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Welcome to Demonland: Luke Dunstan
I love this. Dunstan has been underrated by the football world. He is a tough and durable player who will add depth to our midfield. While his kicking is poor, the Dees game plan is designed to limit the damage from turnovers and also simplifies the decision making process. (Not one of our current premiership midfielders is great by foot.)
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Kade Chandler
Reckon Chandler will make it. We won’t get much if he leaves. Fingers crossed he stays.
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Centre Bounce Analysis from Grand Final
I watched the GWS game from behind the goals and it is probably the best place to analyse the game. (Centre wing is more enjoyable though and feels more natural.) I could see a day that the coaches boxes are switched to behind the goals.
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So...what do we need to achieve during this trade & draft period?
Our draft strategy will depend if Mac Andrew slides (unlikely) and if we think Woewodin or Moniz-Wakefield are worth taking. We have not got any picks, so we would be better off holding current MFC players or picking up recycled players (on one year deals) than taking a bunch of late draft picks on two-year deals.
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AFL TRADE NEWS AND RUMOURSÂ
Richardson is likely a fan as well.
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AFL TRADE NEWS AND RUMOURSÂ
I am not sure there is much difference between the salaries of the rounds. I think it is more due to reducing the list size and overpaying existing players. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-to-have-one-mid-season-rookie-draft-in-2021-20201201-p56jjx.html The top 20 picks will receive $90,000 base without the games-played incentive, picks 21-40 a base of $82,500 (down $7500), and $80,000 (down $5000) for those selected after 40 creating further room for clubs grappling with the drop in total player payments. But all players drafted will continue to receive match payments of $4000 per match for each senior game they play in 2021.