Demon Disciple

I find it unbelievable how so many people jump on the Butcher bandwagon, then off it because he has a bad day kicking at the goals. Lets look at the best FF's in the afl Brown - recently had a bad kicking performance Fevola - notorious for his off days kicking at goal Pavlich - the exception, yet is not considered the best FF Buddy - can kick 8.1 or 1.8 Riewoldt - his kicking problems have been well documented Geelong, the best team in the afl have a number of forwards with kicking issues and regularly kick a scoreline of say 14. 21 A couple of weeks ago, Butcher kicked 5 goals and we were licking our lips, now he has a bad day on the field and the knives are out??? It's not as if he has anything more important in his life at the moment (VCE)

Although i'm 22 in September, i reckon i'll be the next 300 gamer for the might red and blue!!!

i would trade Bate (no pun intended) or Miller for the right price. Both of them play only 1 good game in about 8, they are way too inconsistent and the team can only afford one of them if our forward line is going to mean business in the future. Both play the lead up CHF position and are slowish, Bate has a better kick but isn't as good as 'Frosty' below his needs and isn't as physical, but he has a much better kick than Miller. One of them needs to go, because if Jurrah comes on we would have Watts, Jurrah, either Frosty or Bate, possibly Butcher and Newton (god forbid). There's only room for 1 of them.

They play each other again in round 22, so yes no matter the result, Melbourne will benefit (unless it's a draw)

Jamar??? You have got to be kidding. He is our best ruckman by a country mile. Today at the game, when he went off and OJ came on, we weren't as good in the middle. And for those who put their eggs in the spencer basket, i do not see the hype with this guy. He has the length of the Flemington straight to go, if he wants to be at least serviceable in the ruck. Again , Jamar is our best ruckman at the club. There would be at least 10 players i would give the flick to before i got rid of Jamar.

He still has to want to go..if he doesnt then all bets are off Bingo, lets not forget that it doesn't matter if you are out of contract at the end of next year, if you don't want to go then the gc17 can simply get stuffed. Players need to agree to the move. Who in their right mind would leave the MFC in 2 years time, just when we are starting to come good. All to chase some more coin??? Please, i have a little more faith in our younger boys. They should also be reminded that $250,000 alone is a shitload of money for a yearly salary.

Because GC17 are only going to poach uncontracted players at the end of next year, not this year. We'll sign up/extend the contracts of the players we want to keep next year, no need to rush into things now.

Whilst the draft may be considered shallow or weak (although this cannot be determined until a couple of years after the draft itself), should we happen to have picks 1 & 2 or 1 & 3, we will not even consider trading for them (unless for a Pavlich/Selwood 2 for 1 deal) Scully atm is the deserved #1 pick, and he would go very high in any draft, Butcher whilst not going as high in the stronger drafts, would not go below the top 10 (if that) in any draft. And what are the 2 things we are crying out for most, a classy, quick, skillful inside midfielder and another tall forward. Depending on what 2nd round pick we would get and possibly throwing in a Bate, who knows what we could get in return. But alas, it is only the end of round 6. I will not allow myself to get too involved in this sort of thing yet. As quite sadly, trade and draft time is my favourite part of the footy year atm. Keep bringing that talent in Barry!!!

I'm not sure that he does know what he's doing, coz he has Josh Mahoney as our forward coach. And he clearly has no idea of how a forward line should function, for 50% if not more of the game yesterday, our forward line was non existant. Countless times we ran with the ball up the ground only to stop due to no one being in the forward line. Geez we need Robbo and his lazy ways back in our forward 50, at least he's gonna be around our goals. As for Mahoney, this guy has surely got to be on borrowed time??? Wasn't much of a player, but his coaching makes his career look like it was Judd or Ablettesque.

No. It would be pointless winning 5 or 6 games this year, given our priority pick situation. Lets not forget that the GC and then Western Sydney are going to screw the drafts for the next 5 or so years. We need to get as much young talent as possible, as we can't go on re-building for ever and will have to commit to a group of players and challenge for a premiership (or 2). The more young talent we have, the better our chances in the long run. Sure people want to see us win games, but we are only going to win 6 or 7 max. not much difference than 4 wins.

Dunn may very well have found his place in the team. HFF. He is not big enough to hold down a key position in the forward line, but given his run with role last year, he has the pace an accountability mind set to make our forward line apply greater pressure. Bate needs to be sent back to the KC reserves, hopefully there he will show something

Well i was slightly amused by around 20 Dees fans in the last quarter having a go at the Adelaide runner for being on the ground too long. PLEASE!!!! How about worrying about your own team and their dismal effort for 3 quarters, rather than a runner that wasn't quite good enough to get a gig and just wants to be part of the action.

We played about as poorly as we could have last night, and if we kicked more accurately, we could have possibly won. When we did get some momentum in the last, Adelaide were shocking. Looking at their list with the likes of Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod and Burton all over 30, they are going to fall quite hard, sooner rather than later. I'd be a little worried if i was an Adelaide fan, as if they make finals over the next couple of years, they are only going to be making up the numbers.

I agree, the numbers that turned up to the game were shocking. Weather can seriously not be an excuse. Apart from being a tad cold, it was not too bad. Rug the f@@k up, i had multiple layers on and was fine (should have taken a beanie though) I'm pretty sure that it's colder at the snow than what it is at the 'G. And footy is meant to be played in the winter, get used to it. Time of game cannot be used as an excuse either. Sure it's a Sunday night, but the game finished at around 7.15, there's nothing decent on tv on a sunday night anyway. All in all, we are meant to have nearly 30,000 members and only a third would have shown up yesterday (if that). It was a pathetic showing from our supporters, especially after we had just had a win. Support is unconditional, how we as supporters can have a go at players for under performing (ie Bate) whilst we ourselves do not turn up to games is unbelievable. Apologies and kudos to those who did show up to the game, we need more supporters like you.

And i think he's the right man for the job. Unless McLean comes on in leaps and bounds and recaptures his late '06 form, Miller should be the one leading this club. Well him or Green.

27,284 Not quite winter yet, so there shouldn't be any excuses for all of those snow people not to come. 2 in 2 would be well worth the chill. Here's an option................ rug the f#@k up!

I can't remember if it was in the 3rd or 4th quarter, but Moloney laid an absolute bone crunching tackle on some poor Richmond player, he almost tore him apart. Fantastic tackle it was too, aggressive painful and didn't give away the free-kick. If that was me, i wouldn't have got up for a month, or possibly have died of a heart attack. Go Beamer you good thing!!!

Lets just remember that it was our loss against the tigers in 2007 that resulted in Daniher getting the sack during the next week. Just desserts really.

You don't have Blease in? he would be better suited to the wing than Davey

Lets not forget Grimesy either. Sure he will start his career on a back flank, but he played the majority of his junior footy in the centre.

Sure he hasn't got the bulk required to play yet, but look at Buddy Franklin. The #1 KPF at the moment, and he isn't the biggest fella out there in terms of muscle. He definitely ain't no Fevola, Hall, Pavlich or Brown.

I never said he was bad, i said he got a lot of the easy ball in the backline. Sure he was the link up, but he ran behind to get the ball. He was the loose man, anyone can do that if no one is matching up on you. Whilst our forward line was non-existent after half time. He is needed more in the forward line IMO.

A few things off my chest. #1 - Get Mahoney out of our coaching box. He is useless. Rarely has forwards inside the 50, when we get the ball we have to wait an eternity for players to get down there and by that time we have turned the ball over. When we have a target up there, there is not one crumber for when the ball spills out. I was taught these tactics in primary school. #2 - Stuff Bailey's gameplan. We obviously don't have the skill to execute it for a whole 4 quarters. When a team is as poorly skilled as ours, we need to stick to the basics. Accountable football, first option best option and kick the bloody thing long into the forward line (doesn't matter if there's no one there, hopefully Mahoney will get a clue and put people in the 50) #3 - this may seem controversial to many, but i seriously question Bruce's spot in the side. Sure he gets a lot of the ball, but almost half would be turnovers and a 1/4 would be ineffective. Just stating it as it is, and if you don't agree you are obviously blind and biased. McDonald is awfully close to getting to this level. Sure he might try, but the game passed him by 2 years ago. #4 - PJ needs a rocket sent up his arse. Lazy lazy lazy. Bring Meesen in for him, we're gonna lose anyway so some competition for him can only be good. #5 - we are not going to be any good any time soon. Play the kids and only the kids. What a statement it would make if the captain was dropped from the team. McDonald, the captain, needs to set an example, too often today the team stopped chasing, him included. On-field leadership is way more valuable than off-field. Sadly McDonald is just not up to AFL standard any more. I could say this for almost all players, but the majority are young and need to be tried. #6 - Sylvia had little effect, strike that no effect. However, he did not turn the ball over anywhere near as much as Buckley last week. #7 - Davey is not a midfielder, keep him on a HFF, it is where he played his best footy. I'd prefer to see him get 13 good touches than 20+ easy kicks in the backline. #8 - If we keep this up, showing no progress, Bailey is on borrowed time. And good riddance. If it ain't working then the coach is not getting through to the players. We were competitive for 3 quarters last week, 2 this week, and i predict we will be good for maybe 1 (hopefully at least a half of a quarter at port). We sure are making progress!!! Frustrated?????? i definitely am, but what we put out today was pathetic. a half of footy is not good enough, regardless of if we are young

I agree BBP. His was one of the better performances last week. He generally took the first option and backed himself.

That's easy then. Of the players that are coming out of contract, we'll sign up the guys we don't want to let go the most, then the remaining players that are uncontracted that we still want, we just add them to the list that GC can't touch.