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how old is viney...wines..a dozen other kids ? its irrelevent.

Has another year to run on his std draftee contract I believe. Cant wait for all the posts about hes so under-supported out there and thats why !!

again DUMB

never an excuse for this really...its just plain DUMB

Ive heard Krudd is just plain Bananas !!

For me its like Sanctuary

all the best dc.

glad to hear your ok mate

ahh...Blease Strauss.. yepp.. lemons. Trenners gone from ^^^^^^^ to vvvvvvv another thing entirely

I think many are misconstruing what some of us are saying.. We arent knocking the idea of Toumpas per se. I / we agree he will ( most likely) develop into a better than average player. The question is/was .....was he the right choice at the time given we are who we are and where we are. ? Some of us simply take the position he wasnt. Thats not to say hes not a decent pick, just not the one we needed then/now.

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Really.. I may have given more body to my stance but its the same one. Wines and Toupmas are like any kids with ability hopefully long term ( 150-200 ) game prospects. Im not sure where I havent thought this. Also Ive said that imho Wines is Inside meat and veg, Toumpas outside icing on cake. Toumpas is 2-3 years away from being anything of real note. Wines is doing real and meaningful things RIGHT NOW . If I had the pick..I would have chosen Wines over Toumpas...doesnt even bear 5 secs thinking really// What do we lack ?? Go at it inside mids. Please explain your thinking Ive changed my tune

Thats to suggest that he would have only made some difference this year. Im fully aware of the nature of drafting. My contention is that both are long term prospects. They are slightly different.. One more inside , the other more outside.. Good insiders I would suggest are harder to come by. Evidence our situation currently where we will be desperately seeking some good inside stock this drafting/trading coming. Funny had we taken Wines we would already have one in the system.

Im certainly not suggesting shooting up the ladder would be an outcome. Maybe a more competitive and forward orientated midfield might

Its about as good an argument though as hypothesising that someone might be better than another through sheer guesstimating Id suggest !! What If Toumpas is good, but Wines still better ?? Thats just as possible and would sink all the arguments based upon Dimitri skipping past.. What we do KNOW is in front of us. What I know is Id rather Wines assisting in a meaningful manner in the middle, right now. Wines ( like his mate Viney ) are notorious for tacking all comers on. Little Jimmy isnt at that point. I havent seen anyone write that Toumpas isnt a quality player . But most of his value lays in his potential. That ought to be the clubs motto. Whats latin for " We draft potential and kill it "

The many are making excuses for the error. Its not to say Jimmy is ordinary,,,,just that Olly was a better choice at the time. Why is it CONTEXT is the hardest word....maybe Elton knows

So many just dont want to accept reality and constantly offer up excuses upon excuses as to why our stuff ups are really understandable. its not so much that Toumpas is no good. its that he was the wrong choice in light of our needs NOW That this kid comes good in 2-3 years is wonderful. where will the rest of the team be ??

Wines has grunt... Toumpas probably has more class. Im not saying for one moment that Dimitri isnt making a fist of it...Just Olivers is bigger Simples !!! and hes doing it NOW

english if you may please sir

Rubbish.. prey tell quantify such a ridiculous remark Wines impacts games..Toumpas might,,in a coupe of years

I dont knock him per se...just the decision to take him

but it does beg the q ( at least to me ) when we are in such dire need of up and running midst why did we go for a project ibt lieu of a near ready made. nothing against Toumpas . We have him; yay us. good for down the track i suppose. Its always about tomorrow yet yesterday we got smashed .

we got this pick wrong how unusual

I was going to say something about that... along the lines of having ones cake and eating it too

youre not alone Old...its does get to that point where footy , dare I say it gets put back in the pecking order, though my wife would swear Im a footy tragic , I think its that I tragically follow footy !!lol am off to Echuca myself this weekend !