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something I will say regards marketablility ec..and th einferred value as media fodder, good will, merchandising etc.. is.. it doesnt really matter who anyone is !! it what any one does.,...not who they are. What is marketable is winning. Start doing that and it wont really matter who is wearing the red and blue they willall become the contemporary heroes. They will then become marketable, they will appear in the minds of supporters etc. Those that went before will be soon relegated to the archives. I may be totally on my own..I dont CARE who wears the jumper, as long as they are doing what is asked of their talent and that is to play 100% Melbourne footy and win !!. To say we cant touch so and so because !!!!! is just foolishness to me. who amongst you plays games of chance ...cards etc. ? What do you do with a dud hand.. you fold... you change up .. you refresh those cards.. Do you get all sentimental because you like the look of the jack of spades ? Well we cant chuck in all the cards, bt we certainly dont need to assign the false value of sentiment to players come the business end of the season. Every one on merit !!

im not sur eone way or other about garland...for me far to early to call, but I'll give you the other 5 jaded. I have my fingers crossed wrt Frawley. Once he gets the first dozen games out of the way ( I.e hopef ully rest of season ) he ought to settle. Id like to see Dunn and Newton in tandem as CHF and FF resp.. They play well together in zebby colours :-) A good understanding of where the other is. Im really not sure where to put Bate, but happy for him to be on the ground.

surely not..I'll pop down the 7/11 and pick one up !!

Demoniac.. a pretty fair appraisal as it stands.. I woud submit though that its a bit rough putting Buckley up as we havent really seen anyhting of him yet. Id keep for moment as well PJ.. but trade Russian as you have it. Still if a good deal came along and PJ was part of it.. fair go. Quite frankly Dunn Bell Batram C Johnson even Carroll can be in the mix. we need the best we can get, not the best we've got !!. Happy to put Green Trapper ..Bruce up for grabs. Not saying I want rid of them, just that Im happy to consider anything invoilving them on its merits. Fergs Miller..yep.. trade them Wheats i would keep. I still want him as our main kickout man. The list of who's absolutely utouchable isnt for me as huge as many others !!

hey Haydo.. up til Wreckers injury was he playing at a level where in your opinion you would have played him in the One's ?

much can be made of not so much what we Dees think of either Brocky or Cam, but how the opposition treat them. Suffice to say Wallace chose to shut Brock down with additional minders and not Bruce.

I m happy to be corrected here.. but my understanding of the procedures of procurement would follow something like this. The Caoch(s) and indeed the football dept would meet to establish the filled and holes of a team. identify what they have, what they'd like to have what they need to get and what they have to get it. They will also appraise the already in house recruits as to status of development and likely retainment. They arrive at various criteria and descriptions of players wanted. This is passed to recruitment , who may or may not have been involved in some minor way all along..but necessarily. Recruitment on the basis of the shopping list and its knowledge of what is out there isolates a particular group of players as potential fodder for the mill. The football dept review what is found and further identify certain players as targets. Then its off to the cirrcus known as trade and drafting. Now recruitment can only work with whats its given. They I can imagine will try to find the best available given the requirements as laid down by the coaches. If the coaches describe a round box with smooth edges thats got five legs.. then thats what recruitment goes looking for. So you can see...The Coaches and co are driving the bus.. Recruitment is only there to fill it with petrol.. if the directions are wrng...its not recruiting's fault. or I may have it all wrong.

mate..I agree.. thats the whole thing.. CAC can get some good players.. but if Danners and Co doesnt want to bring them on...because "they' have some ideas about it all.. Then hows that CAC's fault.

whoa !! wake up bud!! CAC scouts, finds and helps recruit them... after that its up to the coaches. he can force danners and Co when or where to play them, he has no ability to make williams play them in this poz or that. I dont see that CAC has done very much wrong. your entitle to your opinion.. I'm not apologist for anyone. Hes done far more good than bad..

This is not about whether danners is a good bloke.. i can only imagine every man and woman to a t here thinks he's done a grand job in most every respect except.... du du dahhhhhhh....CAOCHING !! its not about being a nice bloke...just effective !!!

can we try before we buy... I year for nix ?? :-))

only really want one to stay out of all that lot.. one Craig Cameron !! he's been stirling and its hardly his fault his efforts arent realised and appreciated !! Fagan seems to do ok .. No one else is setting the world on fire !!

.....that's like SO yesterday !!!!!!!! In all seriousness.. he's had all the chances anyone needs. NEXT !!!!!!!

funny ...be saying that for over a month now.. but apparently to some that was showing the white flag. This season was done and dusted weeks and weeks ago.. The couple of wins were an abberation. I wholeheartedly agree.. We need to focus on 2008... we may get a few wins.. or we may not.. it really doesnt matter. Getting a running start at next year does. If Danners isnt up for that ......he might as well go now and we'll use an assistant as caretaker.

Havent actually heard ND come clean as yet.. seems its all invariably the teams fault.. That he is in charge of amalgamating that team and preparing it for batle along with its tactics doesnt seem to occur to him to be a contributing factor!! Me thinks Gardner might be bringing this to his attention

yes..the prudent thing for all concerned is to agree on teh details and condition s of Danners exit. As alluded we are then free to start teh search and stake our possie as first cab off the rank. Allows Danners some freereign of sorts.. ( well pressure is off ) to do something. Hpoefully he'll find a position at another coach... this alone will assure Melbourne of one or two wins a year !!

psssstttt !! over here :-)))) http://demonland.nozzs.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6248

was it too wet ?? ffs...hardly. thisis football...you dont get to orchestrate everything to your favour , you need to take advantage and create opportunities as they come along. Compare Danners ineptitude and reluctance to do anything inspired as compared to th playing by Micky ouse of a kid with one year in footy. Again another clever move by Colllingwood, again another lost chance by Melbourne. We needed another tallish player up front to act as either target or decoy to help Robbo. Blind freddy knew this.. Why pick Ooze when seemingly obvious to everyone except melb football dept that he was undercooked and succeptible. The two inclusions for friday night were Wrecker and Juice. Chalk up another F**k up to the football dept. If you couldnt debut a kid agaisnt the 'then ' worst team in the league...well...when ??

In order White... a lone winner in his position, competed well. unsuuported. Bizzel... A steadying influence across the danger zone. Must admit might have been far worse without his level head that game. Dutchy.. put his hand up amongst a sea of medicrity and uselessness Godfrey.. tries ...tries...tries.. Petterd... still showing glimpses of quality when all around desert him. Brocky.. yes.. a less than blue ribbon effor t, but he kept at it.. even though he knoew it wasnt his night.. He didnt give up or shirk. thats commendable. well thats how I saw it anyway.

all football operation s essentially flow or fan out from teh appointee of the coach. That will determine his enterage, and the likley thinki gof trades and drafts and by this the future makeup and emphasis of the team. Business carries on at a different pace. At present our crisis is the performance of the team and its leadership by teh coach. I stand by my original stance... The coaching position is the only one to be focussing in on right at this moment.

Im still not convinced Carrol ( whilst better0 is still the real anser down back.. If an opportunity arose to utilise him in a trade...and we get a possibly better KPB as a reult of that or other trades Id let him go.

In reality it is the ONLY decision the board needs to deal with.. after that only can anything else really be looked at as the primary functionality of the coaching role and personage will have ramifications on all else and sundry.

not a lot left to say ! definitely a key ingreddient to last nights debacle. We shall leave out here all the mitigating and cotributing factors in the lead up. A key element of your analysis is a theme that too often repeats itself though the pages of forum observations is that whilst ND seems to have some capability prior to the game he is all too often too slow to react and is often out coached mercilessly. Aloowing the loose back was but a symtom of that.

I can see that Gardner does feel accountability. Its what transpires over the next week or to I suggest that will dictate how we see him as an instigator for change.. I dont need him to join in any chorus of "snow bunny fever" . What he might want to understand in that light is it is actually PREFERABLE to possibly 'enjoy' oneself somewhere else as opposed to soem week in week out sado masochistic journey to pay to watch insipidness !! He after all is in the business of supposedly understanding the world of consumerism and sport spectating is nothig different to that. He deals with products with brand loyalties etc. he should be well situated then to understand if you have a shonky product people will leave in droves. a quote from an article http://www.smh.com.au/news/planning/profil...0809431541.html "The adman and AFL club chairman on why there's more to life than football. There are many things about the world that worry Paul Gardner. One might expect that, as chairman of AFL football club Melbourne, his team's dismal performance this season might be top of the list. Not so. As we settle into a wide-ranging conversation at the advertising agency Grey Global, of which Gardner is also chairman, it is immediately clear that his world is by no means defined by kicking a piece of pigskin or flogging nappies to consumers. " I would ask that Mr Gardner choose his alliances and targets better. Seems it may be all well land good for him to have football as only part of his life...and ffs he heads up the Oldest Footbal club going here, but if we choose a similar attiude we're fickle. No Mr Gardner, possibly just like any consumer we are able to make choices. Pain isnt high on my list ! If you are judgig us in the outer, i can assure you we will be judging you over the oncomig months. You seem like a capable sort; don't let us down. Footy's fickle yeah !! :-)

i concede...he's not a 'pretty' kick !! :-)