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As such i think the Scully thing is of its own. There may have been some eyes casting sideways to ponder what was actually offered by the club, perfectly normal. To be honest I dont put a lot of weight into anything written by any particular player thats on a subject like this thats been published on the Melbourne ( or any teams) site. You or I could pretty well write was is offered up...its all a variation of the one week at a time standard dross. Its a nothingness...fluff

yep., pretty much.. Theres nothing to be drawn from Trengoves lack of knowledge regarding Scully's intention. Some players ..especially those whove known each other for yonks might have such a relationship whereby they entrust each other with certain viewpoints and info. But I sense Scully tells no-one anything. Hed probably have his suspicions but that would be it.

I suspect anytime now there'll be a release stating that " further Scans are less/more conclusive/clarifying and the club prefers to err on the side of caution whilst continuing his recovery. The Club anticipates a return to traiining at the earliest juncture but no date for resuming senior duty at this stage " i.e ......................................................................... read ......................................................................

Maurie.... the "camp' simply refers to his "circle of whatever....inlfluence, mentors etc etc " They ARE his family, they include his management... cal it another name if you prefer.., but 'camp' suffices. Adversarial ?? Even Allies have their camps.. Its their "position" Is it not fair to suggest the MFC and Scully have somewhat differing positions ?? If it was the same... we'd probably not have 100 odd pages of discourse !! lol

The notion its done and dusted from teh GWS/Velocity?Scully side of things does NOT address the notion that teh Club might need to bring this to a head. Theres two sides to a coin.. Only one side actually knows for sure whats happening..and thats teh Scully camp.. Melbournne needs to know..Thats where a Jimma/Scully contretemps ( of sorts) needs to arise. What if... just what if Scully has signed.. and part of that is a non -disclosure clause ? Would explain much of whats transpired.. Melbourne's being had.

Collingwoods turn will come for sure. Very VERY newsworthy.

I actually agrre with most of that.. but I would respectfully add its the nature of the way weve gone about things... and your summation of some on filed woes is warranted, for sure. I suggest it also goes to off field handlngs too.. We buugered up teh Bruce thing. which may or may not have cost us Jnr. Wil we ever really know ..*sigh*. In my opinion were buggering this up too. Yes, I have no problem with young Tom saying , originally , and possibly with reason(s), lets wait til eos. But its all changed. So much has come to light that the club, I feel , is well within its mandate to make the call. EOS, no good. We all know whats on the table.. theres nothing that cant be ironed out now, if thewre are concerns. We as a club have more issues and players to deal with and get organised. Well?? How is it ?? Tom Scully, clever lad ( cleverer management) has the club spinnig on his litlel finger...well quite honestly...F%$# THAT !! The club cannot be seen to allow anyone hold it to ransom.. otherwise, the next kid and the next one are going to think, monkey see, monkey do... Thats what I'll do. This fire needs to be put out....and now

lol...seriously...what ...you DONT think this might have already been done....( and dusted ) ffs..Honestly This club needs to shows some backbone... its being toyed with and dictated to by a kid.. No wonder other ( clubs and supporters ) think weere soft. This needs to be put to bed. By the club..on its terms..simple.

Quite frankly if I were Stynes...( and I fully accept Imnot..and many of you are glad ) but if i were in his position.. Id be asking the young lad to dinner. Id ask him to look me in the eyes and be utterly truthful. The time for gmaes and subtefuge is over. "Whats happening?" Forget this ruse of a inferred timeline. That only has one purpose and thats to facilitate some alternative agenda. If he couldnt look Jimma in the eyes and say "Im staying, we just need to sort some niiggles out " then the reality is hes going. and... If hes going..then Id adopt the stance Roos voiced ages ago ( and I concurred ) that he not be played for the rest of the season...period. why would you. Its time to push all the bullsh!t aside and demand.. Youre either with us...or agin us > Theres no in between.

Damn good pick up there OLd !! Like him or loathe him , here we have the towns biggest Footy paper, coming out via its biggest writer and calling it . Thats balls on the line stuff, like it or not. Like Mike , I belieive hes well and truly gone. Was hoping he might stay but I sense the die for all this was sunk some time ago. What some arent happy with is the Pantomime before us. Its all a bit 3rd Act isnt it. Yet all thats happening realy is some scenery is being moved around to obfuscate whats truly happened here. I thought the other curiousity actuyally ws some notation somewhere that Scully's fatherapparently had Sydney( town, not team ) connections vis a vis recruiting . what can i say...cue....More Smoke...and keep them Mirrors coming !!! lol

Lets get things straight shall we.. My lifes fine. . I dare to aspire and sometimes accomplish this. Sometimes you dont...thats life. . There are realities and you deal with them. To ignore them will set you up for major disappointments and frustrations.. But thats your choice. I support and barrack for my team week in week out, whether at the game or otherwise I always WANT them to win.. Do I expect them to ? No. Simple reason is 1) Im old enough to have seeen plenty of seasons and plenty of disappointment. and 2) This is very much a simple game that revolves around ability and form. Currently only someone with head in sand would suppose we are better on both . The opening thread title (now changed btw) asked.. Will we ? No,t do you want them to ? They are simply two different things.. Can you understand that ?

A message to up and coming kids: "Yours is not to run the club...but to impress it enough with commitment and endeavour to show worthiness of playing for it"

smoke, mirrors, more smoke...bigger mirrors !!! B)

Pass. That's about it

This is just somehwat ironic. Im accused of buying into a doom and gloom way of thinking.. Im not.. Im simply assessing trhe reailty of what ..IS . Hawthorn is 3rd..were 9th...its no accident and its a window to the state of play. "So why do the big clubs get the good players wanting to go there". I cringe.. Cry Cry ..why do the big clubs get the players !!!!! Talk about a whinge. Whos really the pessimist here ? Jolly wanted Collingwwood for the very simple reason he got a Premiership out of it..and did so before he'l lhanfg up his boots. Thats wont have happened at Melbourne, not in the immediate time frame..Yes, another reality Jolly has issues with Melb also..theres a history. Lets not get too carried away with a few players here and there. Ball went to teh Filth for similar reasons.. Maggies were in premiership window time. Who can blame him. Keep in mind we were rebuilding and focussing on youth. We did look at Ball ..he went to Cwood for the reasons explained. It might seem strange to many but most players will tel lyou the crowd disappears into teh backgrond once the game starts. Its a very small thing in teh great scheme of it all in terms of why player X want s to go to Y. We all know why Judd went to Carlton..enough said. He didnt go to Collingwood either ..remember ?? Theres no doubt that players are drawn to success. Though really good ones create it. . Whos to say the good players arent drawn to Melbourne now. try looking within also.. Watts, Trengove,,Jamar..all happily resigned because they know whats coming and that they will be part of it.. All three COULD have gone elsewhere..There are others too. This notion that the Dees are some sort of Lepper colony is just hogwash..

oh Red....how can you be so pessimistic...thats all doom and gloom mate !!!! what on earth are you injection rationale and logic into this for.. ....dont you know thats heresy... It must mean you dont want us to win.. that youre accepting of crap !! We'll never get anywhere with that sort of attitude !! Now you and I know that probably couldnt be further from the truth . ( and for the dimwitted...the above was sarcasm) its just anobservation of where we're at as a team. Its a bit like having a 3 legged dog.. hes great.. Comes up agaisnt a 4 legged dog in a race and gets done. Why? Because he hadnt the ticker ? Because he hadnt the want to win ? No desire ? No ability ? ...No support ? No, simply he had three legs against four. He wasnt able to put sufficient of his ability to the task and got outdone by another that could. Did I want the 3 leggged woofer to win.. Yep . Barracked for him all through the race. Thats where we're at.. We dont have al lthe parts of our game happening yet . Not to a high competitiive level. We get found short against very able teams who put on serious forward presure. Its just a reality..We will get better ( one hopes ) and then we'll have that extra leg. Then the race is even and more uncertain. but for the moment Hawthorn on most days is easily a 5-6 goal better team. Some seem to infer your not passionate or fair dinkum simply because you choose to spectate with eyes open. A pox on them Throw in we were knackered and theyre bringing in fresh legs and is it so unrealistic to suppose a loss is imininent ?

you know..strangely ...I did !! hes attempting to out cart before horse.. chicken before egg etc. He also supposes that acknowledging a reality is the acceptance of crap. I can assure you I dont do the latter. But lets call them as we seem then huh . The Hawks have Won 3-1/2 games more than us winning 15 more Qtrs in doing so.. Their % is a healthy 31 per ahead of us. Theyve shown a greater abillty to putting 3 or 4 good quarters together as compared us . theyve accounted for WCE, SyD, Sainters Doggies. Twice been in range of the Cats...... I see nothing to suggest we can currently be more competitve than be withing 5-6 goals of them. You think players are attracted to clubs based on their supporters ?? really ??

How on earth do you arrive at that logic. it suppsoes that teh list is defined in some manner by talent ascribed by a judiciary that judges worthiness on the basis of crowds, supporters etc etc. The club determines its list. The players ability /ocahing abillity determines success. We go and watch..Thats the length and breadth of our REAL influence..

mfcrox.....its been mentioned.. Nothing goes un-noticed !! lol

Whitto...somm eof us a re just a bit realistic.. Doesnt meanwe dont barrack and hope. The Threads title asks a question. Some choose to answer with both eyes open.

"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Vladimir that all players are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

funny in a sense we ourselves showed the bye is no impediment to winnng.. Hawks by about 30... just a reality

Which games didnt Beamer ( top eight ) play as well in ?? Rivers is playing better this year.. i agree. But hed need to..and hes still expensive. Causes as many turnovers as he does good . Highly doubtful he will play in a Melbourne Premiership team.

well my point ( maybe not clear enough ) was I dont think its all Conspiracy Theory , i.e Unreal Paranoia meets Subversive overplan. I actually think there is an agenda. That is beyond the obvious of taking Footy to hostile regions come hell or high water. Theres a pattern. Vlad doesnt like too much out of the reach of Fortress AFL. Cant have consitency in fines and penalties so they have the MRP where everything is Anderson under-written and as consistent as mud. Cant have Clubs being too autonomous...so dribble feed them on handouts and persistently change the goal posts . Eventually the AFL gets its way on most things. Cant have those horrible pesky upstart bastards having their own voice and grabbing too big a slice of pie, even though they are the reason teh pie exists in the first place...so lets set about diluting the power of the AFLPA Player managers...oooh scarey scarey....getting in the ear of those impressionable kiddies.. Lets create our own !! We need a certain amount of prime fresh talent to make its way to the newby clubs.... even better , lets get them to put a few games under their belts with unknowing surrogate teams ...then create a situation where they can be knicked from right under their noses !! A gem that one. Yes we will get some compensation ...that in some new talent...but what of the time and money and effort put into the existing pick ?? Same for other teams.. To say nothing of the brouhaha it causes. Mary Shelley created a Monster.... and the VFL created another, neither could forsee the horror of their creations.

Might explain why Vlad was never too worried about us getting the picks. Not if he thought we wouldnt get to keep them ( in a manner) Many people laugh athe so called conspiracy nature of some reasonings but some might want to stop and take a step back and have a look at the how and why the AFL is going about its control of the game and the indfluence of teams , players, players organisations and managers. Vlad has his little plan..!!