bush demon

8 hours ago, dee-tox said:

I think Kozzie is an interesting talking point. He's averaging only 11 possessions a game and tonight only had three kicks. Sure he puts pressure on oppositions but IMO he's capable of much, much more.

 

At one point Kozzie flew for a speccie in front of MG when he could have stayed down for the spoils. This has been a repeating pattern, with KP continually preferencing goal of the year/ mark of the year. We are going nowhere until Melbourne gets back to tem first.

10 hours ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

Can't remember a more boring, mistake ridden game in a long time. Crowd was flat as a tack for 50k. 

3 more Brownlow votes for Trac. Other than that great signs from Judd and JVR, Salem slowly returning to form.

Take the win and forget this game ever happened.

8 wins in a row. I used to dream of 8 wins in a row against Carlton.

Stay DOWN Kossie at 3 27. That is your captain you got in front of. TEAM FIRST.

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

How Van Rooyen continues to get a game over BBB I find mystifying!?

Why BBB wasn't put straight back into the Ones instead of having to do Re-Accreditation 101 equally so.  He'd had a great start to the year... can surely  bolster our (against top sides) pop-gun attack.

The rumours - previously published here, and not denied by anyone at the club were that BBB had run over the coach's cat.  Unfortunately this scenario is appearing more and more plausible each week.

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

I nominate this as the BEST POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!

Not to mention the manufactured game day experience. No 'crowd' anymore.... just loud announcers and music controlling the messaging. Just watch Everton's  last game in EPL, by way of comparison. 

15 minutes ago, Buzzy said:

It's his life.  If he wants to sign a waiver and play, that's entirely up to him.

Don't understand why people weigh in on this, it's not up to anyone else but the person who bears the risk.

That is not correct. There are friends, family, potentially carers, the whole sporting community, not to mention ambulance-chasing class-action lawyers as players in these tragic events. This is the prime reason the AFL is now bearing down big-time on head-high collisions and tackling. I dare say the current form of the game will be obsolete in twenty years time, when the full impact of head trauma is better understood and appreciated by sporting parents and the community in general.

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Masters of the great escape.

Yeah I see the comparisons, also always thought West Ham was similar.  

It only takes the flimsiest pretext to follow a team when you are a kid. Ie Getting taken to an International v seeing Ron Barassi on TV  shows.

Slightly off-topic, but well worth a mention! Overnight saw my team Everton def. Bournemouth 1-0 to narrowly avoid relegation from the English  premier league. What then is the Everton / Melbourne connection? On May 16, 1964 my father took me to see Everton (then a top Div 1 team)  play Australia. In spite of Everton smashing Australia 8-2 Everton, Everton became my team from then on. If my father wasn't so anti-Australian rules l might have been taken to junction oval (the previous Saturday) to see my first VFL game v Saints. Despite winning the flag that year Melbourne were soundly beaten by a rising St Kilda. Crowd comparisons were interesting: the Melbourne game drew 35,000 whilst the international at Olympic park drew 32,500. 

PS We walloped then in the August re-match, 8.7 to 5.7, but the crowd - at the MCG - was only 33,000.

9 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Casey are really missing Moose and remember that many players who played last season (and even this one) have either moved on, injured or now playing AFL....

Chandler, Baker, JVR, Dunstan, Weid, Mitch Brown & Bedford.

Reckon we did ok without Dunstan & Moose.

And while this most likely wasn't the difference, the umps did pay some insanely rediculous 'hand-of-god' frees on at least 3 to 4 occasions which helped keep Werribee within touch and pushed them ahead at times.

If you need any convincing of this check out the holding the ball against Woe straight in front of their goals early in the 4th.  Was literally tackled as soon as he took possession and taken to ground /sat on.  Ventured to try and handball it but no way he had any prior.

The other must see miracle free was at the 17 minute mark of the last against Roan Steele.  He tracked the ball from a Werribee kick off HB through the middle, picked up, turned on a tight arc quickly to boot the ball back into our 50 or find a target.  Slipped over, got straight back up (no oppo touched him and if they did it was a finger tip trip anyway) and the ump paid HTB!!!!

Hand of God is right. It's a Malcolm Blight on our game, and if you scan across KAYO over the weekend there are plenty of nonsensical calls and gift goals awarded by Hollywood umpiring.  And what happened to push-in-the-back?  It's a lucky dip which way the umpires call it. Won WCE a premiership couple of years ago and gave us a fright (Johanssen) in '21.

Getting sucked into the contest: i know this is an asside, but Steven May (gloating about who was in the flag 18) and Ed Langdon's (Collingwood are a one trick team) hubristic behaviour last year tarnished our team-first ethic. And it's mighty hard getting back on that pedestal.

47 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The Geelong game from last year is the blueprint to beat Melbourne We have learned nothing from it.

Its what PA did all night. Jum into Max's back and smash the kick ins 10-15m fwd to a gaggle of PA players.

Brainless coaching, poor set ups at clearance, extraordinary decision not to nullify Butters.

Couldn't believe we kept Tracc in the fwd 50 for our worst performing first half in a long time. Gawn was hopeless.

The PA positioning was superb at stoppages and when the ball was in out D50. They created a wall that we struggled to break out of.

Our small fwd were pathetic. As were our big fwds.

As for the panicking handballs, sliding below the knees and the guarding of the centre corridor it was painful to watch.

10-0 clearances in 2nd qtr from our much vaunted midfield? Changes need to be made.

10-2 in frees in the last quarter? Should be an investigation into the pathetic - bordering on cheating - umpiring. No front on contact for Gawn from Lycett? Dropped marks paid, ball hitting the ground and paid a mark? No second 50m for Lever?

And astoundingly TMac gives away a free for HTB and the Tackler is penalised a week for a dangerous tackle? That tops the cake for how putrid umpiring is in our once great game.

Our record against top sides is now alarming and while you can't win flags in May there is a consistent pattern that has emerged. And it about how easy we are to coach against and how badly our coaches can respond to obvious tactics used against us.

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I thought that the Grundy and Gawn combo was going to directly increase our goal tally. It did in the praccy games. But the average goals for the 2 combined is currently at only one and a half per game. 

I think we roll the dice with Bbb instead of Tmac.

Don't need to roll the dice withh BBB, didn't he have a 3,3,3, or similar? Correction: 4,4,1.

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I thought that the Grundy and Gawn combo was going to directly increase our goal tally. It did in the praccy games. But the average goals for the 2 combined is currently at only one and a half per game. 

I think we roll the dice with Bbb instead of Tmac.

Don't need to roll the dice with BBB, didn't he have a 3,3,3, or similar? A 4,4 and a 1, to be sure...

That free to South was a shocker, makes you want to switch to... darts? The penalty was far worse than the offence. A free kick from a designated spot, sure but why oh why do umpires step in and virtually gift the four points like that.

1 hour ago, 58er said:

What's Tabletennis got to  do with AFL? 

Ahem..."Aerial pingpong". What's empty stadiums go to do with Saturday afternoons?

https://www.google.com/search?q=aerial+ping+pong+meaning&oq=&aqs=chrome.2.35i39i362l8j46i39i362j35i39i362j46i39i199i362i465j35i39i362j46i39i175i199i362j35i39i362l2.-1j1j7&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

12 minutes ago, Redleg said:

The new team needs a stadium that can support fans and is a centrepiece of TV coverage with a big supporting footy crowd.

Watching the empty Giants stadium at their home games is soul destroying and I am sure the broadcasters hate it. 

There is no doubt that a Tasmanian team would bring tourism and money into their economy, which in time would repay any contribution to a stadium and provide many extra benefits for the State.

However, if a vocal minority ruin this, that is the end of a Tasmanian team now and for the foreseeable future and so be it.

 The AussieFL  creates dud 18s in the rugby states then handcuffs young victorians et al to go and live/play in those same states via the draft. I for one would like to see some international standard table tennis facilities installed right across the country courtesy of us tight****- taxpayers.  After all, if we can subsidise aerial pingpong then there is no reason why we can't challenge the Ma Longs, Fan Zen Dongs and Alex Le Bruns of the world down here on the ground.

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Can you elaborate on what you mean here? Do you mean to say what does our performance in the match against Hawthorn tell us about how we are likely to go against potential Top 4 teams? Or something else?

Yes, thank you. .y impression of the game is that we played well but would have been punished bigtime in turnovers and better finishing by the higher placed teams. 

Just now, bush demon said:

Does this game tell us anything about our standing with  potential top four opponents: Collingwood, Brisbane, Geelong, Port and Adelaide. Apologies Essendon, who walloped us.

Does this game tell us anything about our potential top four opponents: Collingwood, Brisbane, Geelong, Port and Adelaide. Apologies Essendon, who walloped us.

21 hours ago, defuture15 said:

Is it just me or is the push in the back dead?

They only seem to pay it when a player is pushed on the run?

It's not dead, it's optional.

Watching all the games on kayo you get to see the completely random nature of umpire calls in all its glory: pushes in the back (while player in front is flying for ball) unpunished start to finish, second to the ball rewarded at all times, neck tackling allowed at all times, players held onto too long after they no longer have the ball, taking that player out of the next contest. Excessive 50 metre penalties for frivolous reasons. And my pet gripe: hand tackling. I thought players were only allowed to be tackled within a certain range of their body. This is chickenwing 2.0. There is no intention to win the ball here, only to draw a free against the player who went in first. 

36 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Petracca hobbling. Hope he's ok. Didn't look great. I notice he's being interviewed on fox. What's he saying?

Out of Trac's gob: he is ok.

Stay humble, Dees. I remember the scoreline was the other way round...one notorious day at vfl park...

8 hours ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Have the Dees ever  been beaten abroad? 
I know we’ve won in NZ, Canada, USA, China ,England and Tasmania(!) Anywhere else?

I know we won the '87 World Series.

On 5/8/2023 at 4:39 PM, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Arguably cost us the '63 Premiership.

It was replayed in both Hawaii and San Fran Cisco which Melbourne won 2-0. That gave us the flag 2-1 on aggregate. A bit like Liverpool and A.C Milan in 2005.