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Just got home to check the snowfall. Well I actually like the Coudabeens and also like Greg Champion for that matter. I remember in the old days often going to see his band, "Greg Champion and the maniac rockers".

Still, his take on the demons is opportunistic and he wouldn't give a stuff if the club no longer existed.

The media are big-time opinion managers.

I went to the snow nearly 30 years ago. I wonder when the coodabeens last went to the snow, or dined in a posh restaurant or chatted to their mates about tax schemes.

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/another-...5043031702.html

I think an email campaign to ABC re this constant sledging ritual would be a good thing.

If you are sick of the put-downs of our club by these guys here is their address. Speaking of top-end-of-town, Ian Cover, Geelong Suppporter was an ex-member of the time-serving Legislative Council in the Kennett years. You never hear any hear Cover being critiqued on his elitism.

http://www.abc.net.au/coodabeens/contact.htm

Incidentally, where were all the Demon fans? At the snow where the coodabeens always place them at this time of year when the team's losing?

I went to the snow nearly 30 years ago. I wonder when the coodabeens last went to the snow, or dined in a posh restaurant or chatted to their mates about tax schemes.

http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/another-...5043031702.html

I think an email campaign to ABC re this constant sledging ritual would be a good thing.

When I was a young teenager, I managed to sneak into the Melbourne rooms at half time. The Dees were the top team playing the lowly 'shinboners' and even though the game was being played at Arden St, we were only leading by one point. Smithy was furious and he let his players know about it. I can still see seasoned players like Barassi,Mithen, Spencer, Dixon and the like reacting so positively to his fiery words. Ronald Dale was almost frothing at the mouth and couldn't get back on the ground quick enough for the second half. As a result of Norm's words of wisdom the mighty Dees extended their one point lead to ten goals to easily win the game. Yes, Norm Smith was indeed a legend of the highest order. I hope we get another one like him one day. Don't we all!

Bobby, I think writers such as yourself should have a dedicated, pinned section ie a demonland heritage post.

I love reading your anecdotes from the red and blue past of our club. It would be great to see all these memories gathered in one place, so young demon supporters can go and drink at the well and learn why our club was in olden times so respected and feared.

I heard a story from a bloke that a lot of old football footage was deliberately destroyed from the order of a former President of an AFL Club who is now deceased.

Now there is no concrete basis to that story, it is only what this mate of a mate told me one night. It could be a garbage story, but I know that this bloke telling me this tale isn't a liar or a big noter. He was a big collector of old rare football videos and so I imagine he had some merit to be taken seriously.

As for the AFL Club President- well it wasn't Peter Gordon, Joe Gutnick or Ian Ridley. Well those three are still alive so that rules them out. It wasn't Sir Billy Snedden or Graham Huggins either so I am not speaking ill of the dead in those two cases.

Go to one of the AFL sports shops and ask for the Great GRand finals of the 60's DVD's. It has got every grand final. the '64 grand final is shot from a long range and is overdubbed with average commentary. It is a movie reel, not tv video. the '63 grand final shows geelong chopping up hawthorn in the 3rd quarter with some beautiful passages of play. the '61 grand final appears to have been filmed directly off a tv screen. this was a technique used at that time to overcome the high cost of video footage. i can't remember the technical name they give it. the '60 grand final betw. melbourne v collingwood is live tv coverage. unfortunately the mcg is so sodden that no meaningful passages of play can occur! you get to see laurie mithen do some beautiful pick ups, and ron barassi mark right on the siren and miss from only 25 yards out. len mann rucks fantastically with his big hook arm continually winning the clearances. reminded me of the brisbane big men (clark keating?) in recent gf's. rare tv highlights of the '58 grandfinal show a beaten melbourne making a belated comeback in the dying minutes with some precision passing. the 56-59 gf's all went live to air and were not recorded for posterity (otherthan the footage mentioned). fascinating to listen to mike williamson in the early grand finals ('61 i think) with a mellow, laidback tone. by '66 (like the beatles) he has gone over the top, putting the wrongend of the cigarette in his mouth etc having heartattacks on air etc... unfortunately most of these games are heavily edited and you don't get to see how exciting football was in those days. if onlly we could see the '64 grnad final presented in the way the exciting 66 and 67 grnad finals were.

i also heard the destroyed gf's rumour off an afl person. i rang up once and spoke to *** ********** who told me that a ******* **** executive deliberately burnt tapes when that channel lost the rights.

I reckon that the departure of Tommy Hafey from Richmond at the end of 1976 was probably the 2nd biggest coaching mystery but it is still behind the number 1 which is Norm Smith in 1965.

Part of it may lie in the natural rise and fall of clubs. Aside from minor slumps and the war, melbourne had been up since the 30's with two triple premierships and then the amazing run from '54 to '64. Smith himself said he drove the players very hard during 1964 and it may be that in his one last attempt for glory he just burnt up. Remember that Barassi left Carlton and North shortly after taking them through great premiership eras. Barassi was a hothead in the vein of Smith. In those days it was often the passion of the coach that got the players through. I think Barassi jumped before the ship sunk and I think that Smith was caught as she was going down. I am greatly interested in the opinion of others, though.

I too am a 64 tv replay video tragic. The game was replayed on at least two television stations maybe even three: Channels 2, 7 and 9. I looked up old newspapers and the replay was shown. highlights of the game were again shown on world of sport the next day. the surviving footage itself - barassi's fumble, dixon's mark, crompton's goal, tuddy's torp and gabbo's gander only came to light i believe in the last few years with Steve Phillips sportscom group researching and finding 'lost' footage which surfaced on the demon red and blue video. it would be a good thing to make representations to these people to go looking again so we can have something to treasure for the 150th anniversary next year. i can remember highlights of the '64 second semi being shown on world of sport when melbourne poleaxed collingwood by 89 points.

the 60, 61, 62 and 63 grandfinals are available on video.

I bet Name A Game wish that the 1961 Grand Final never existed, because if that was the case, then they wouldn't receive such a massive volume of correspondence from people requesting the 1962, 1963 and 1964 Grand Finals. People would just assume that they started in 1966 (until the "lost" Grand Final of 1965) was found.

A mate of mine- an Essendon fan(he is older than I am) claims that he saw as a young lad, either the last quarter or the full game of the 1964 Grand Final that Saturday night back then on either the old Channel 0 or Channel 9? The tape of the 1964 Grand Final is apparently around somewhere, waiting to see the light of day.

The 1961 Grand Final is just a small mercy for Footscray fans- all 7 goals in black and white. Better than nothing and I have both the video and dvd of it, but North Melbourne, Richmond, Carlton and Essendon, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Geelong fans don't know how lucky they are when it comes to seeing their team in action on Grand Final Day.

In my previous life I must have been a horrible supervisor when working on the construction of the Pyramids. My retribution as karma was to be a Footscray supporter.

You may not have won a flag in my lifetime, like St Kilda and Geelong, but at least you can say that you made it in 1988 and 2000. My mob can't even make the Grand Final of that two bit Ansett, Wizard, NAB or whatever they call it Cup let alone the fair dinkum Grand Final.

I too am a 64 tv replay video tragic. The game was replayed on at least two television stations maybe even three: Channels 2, 7 and 9. I looked up old newspapers and the replay was shown. highlights of the game were again shown on world of sport the next day. the surviving footage itself - barassi's fumble, dixon's mark, crompton's goal, tuddy's torp and gabbo's gander only came to light i believe in the last few years with Steve Phillips sportscom group researching and finding 'lost' footage which surfaced on the demon red and blue video. it would be a good thing to make representations to these people to go looking again so we can have something to treasure for the 150th anniversary next year. i can remember highlights of the '64 second semi being shown on world of sport when melbourne poleaxed collingwood by 89 points.

i can't get over how authoritative our backline was in the last quarter. mopping up with ease. reminded me of the great tony anderson/ frank davis/ hardeman funsters...

It seems a good topical time to ask this question just after the Queens Birthday game.

A bloke I work with has told me about the day he went with his policeman father to Victoria Park for a Collingwood v Melbourne game when he was a child.

His reminisces are that Melbourne won the game and how at the end of the match, the Collingwood crowd hurled bottles at their defeated players as they came off the field.

I asked him what year, it was however he couldn't immediately pinpoint it. So I asked whether it was 1976 and he thought that it wasn't as it would have happened earlier. So therefore I hopped onto the internet and went into the AFL Tables website http://www.aflstats.tk and searched around and the previous Melbourne triumph at Victoria Park was in 1968.

He agreed with 1968 and said "Yes that must have been the year that it happened" The scores were -

Round 8- Saturday 08th June 1968

Collingwood 11.13.79

Melbourne 13.7.85

So round 8 on June 8 of 68

So would anyone here remember this game? If so were you there and also did you see the Collingwood fans throwing bottles at their own players(or throwing them at anyone or anything?)

If barry vagg played a blinder then i remember it. i was listening on my blue tranny in the front yard at springvale. a late goal i think by vagg sealed it.

MELBOURNE GETS ROBBED OF MOTYS AND GOTYS EVERY BLOODY year

we are lucky to have a team like we do which has the best highlights of most sides in the AFL...

just a few times weve been robbed...

Woey robed of GOTY by his own teammate farmer 1998

Robbo robbed of MOTY everyyear since he played the game..

Yze robbed of MOTY LAST (geelong game) year AND 2 years before that WAY BETTER mark over the top of a few sydney guys than stupid mcPharlins superman mark

Davey Robbed of GOTY last year by edward betts...

Yze robbed of GOTY this yer by dustin fletcher.... (best goal i have ever seen by yze)

didnt even get goal of the round

its a popularity contest... Green is up against FRASER dont bother voting...

last year it had some crediabilty when its experts had their say, and the fans...

Well Gerard Healey votes for the marks doesn't he? Remember Leo Barry getting robbed ybl?

http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/

just put in your details and its all there

Well it seems country victoria doesn't get the live feed of this game anymore. it's all supercars/ stupid cars

Thanks, Rupert.

Usually the QB game is live on country tv. i am wondering whether this has changed with this year's pay tv siphoning.

Thanks Demonstorm,

i would go up today only have work to do at home so am hoping to watch on tv. where could i look up prime tv program?

Usually the QB game is live on country tv. i am wondering whether this has changed with this year's pay tv siphoning.

There's extra footage I hadn't seen before. ie Barassi and Gabelich standing on dais as announcements are made. I wonder what other footage lies in the television vaults

If Steven Armstrong can go home to WCe and become a good player, what is going wrong with our young players? Perhaps some footballers are destined not to reach the level they are capable of if the club doesn't have a 'premiership' belief and culture.

OK, I'll whip up another Robbie Flower highlights video tape, but I don't have the machine that burns it onto DVD.

If anyone does has access to such a machine, let me know, and we'll work something out.

Comparing Robert Flower to a current day player is difficult.

Perhaps a much more consistent Travis Johnstone, but alot better mark, who kicked more goals, and was a super leader and captain might come close.

I see the Travis Johnstone comparison come up from time to time, but for mine I can't see the comparison. Travis is a user and a finisher. Robert Flower got the hard ball in packs, took contested aerial marks in heavy traffic (outstanding considering his slight build) , you name it. His evasive skills were freakish and perhaps what make him stand out from all others. He just couldn't be caught. Finally, his loyalty to the red and blue is what makes Flower a favourite son.

Did Gary Moorcroft ever play a game for us as well?

Fabian Francis was also a one game wonder bac in 91

$38,000. Lou Richards re-named him after a less-precious metal, "Tillendrium Tillbrook".

David Cordner arrived on the scene in a blaze of glory. The details are now hazy but I seem to remember him playing one blinder of a game. He was a high-marking blond forward. Great pedigree, then disappeared from the scene.

Whispering Jack updated me on Ed Burston in the mid 60's. Arrived with huge wraps and also disappeared off the scene.

The idea of starting a thread for discussion about poor returns from individuals is always going to turn into a sledge fest

I played a bit of footy, as well as I could, and as hard as I could, I doubt that any player worth his salt plays any differently, and I am bloody sure that any of the players we have picked up would not be any different in their attitude and intent

If I had had the ability and the good fortune to have been picked up by the Dees I would never expect to be disparaged by the supporters as have the players you have vilified here

This is supposed to be a supporters site

GOD help us if this is where we are heading

We were unlucky yesterday we'll be a lot better as the year goes on don't jump off the band wagon because when you want to get back on the driver won't stop for you

Where players are being villified I would agree with you. ON the other hand, supporters and members pay money to 'participate' and are entitled to a point of view. The players are on excellent money and better than most posters would ever have access to I would imagine. Supporters (in my case 43 years worth) who have maintained such a long vigil after our last premiership are surely entitled to their wistful obervations of players who didn't come up scratch (in their supporters' imagination) - as long as comments are kept in good taste I think the footballers are big enough to take it.

Our greatest club champion simply walked out the door for money once - we the supporters can't do the same - we are stuck with our club for better or worse.

Some of the comments are obviously weird - how could David Schwartz be considered other than an inspiration. He offered more as a player than we had experienced at our club post-war and was cruelly cut short in 1995. Same with Prymke. Same with Tingay. Finally, I am not into sledging personal aspects of players - ie alcohol etc... and i would agree wholeheartedly with the last poster on this point.

Another late inclusion.

Rodney 'Rocket' Owen - what were we thinking?

Ed Burston, the 'boom' ruck recruit of 1965, the beginning of an era when Melbourne no longer recruited big guns.

Peter Smith (son of Norm Smith) same era.

Chris Aitken... promised to be a big marking forward... kicked five last round 68? against later premiers, essingdon.

Tom Flower.

i remember diamond jim's first run at the ball in the south game at waverley. he charged in, the ball bounced badly and he over-ran it... Lou richards used to call diamond jim 'tillendrium' tillbrook as well, once his lustre had faded. apparently tillendrium is a less valued metal.

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