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Is that you Mark?

I'm begining to think that all you do WYL is sit at home saying all grumpy and cold saying "next week it will begin..." You'd be that friend in the car that always tries to pick when the lights change. Counting down normally from 5 to 1 and then "zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooo [light changes] ooooooo" and at the end have a smug look and say "told you so"

His article was fairly elementary: he hopes we get flogged so Neeld gets axed because supporters are/will leave the club if he stays... even blind Freddy could write a churnalism article about that and not need to have insider knowledge. I doubt he knows something else about the positive correlation between MN and reduced membership/attendance than we don't already know

The board's decision on Monday was the right decision. If MN continues with this performance he isn't going to be coaching next year - that's a reality that all pro and anti-Neeld supporters have to face. What they have essentially done is let him know that that by putting him on notice and given him a chance to change to change it. That's a luxury no other coach has been given in this situation. It also puts the players on notice. No player likes it when their coach gets axed. From what I heard a big concern was the effect axing Neeld would have on the players who have improved under him (Garland, Jones, Davey ect.), the young developing players who like Neeld (Terlich, Viney Evans) and the playing group as a whole. This way the playing group are also on notice - their lack of effort is tied with their coaches fate. From what I've seen alot of people like this strategy, even anti-Neeld supporters. Its a win win win: Win for our financials in that if he stays for the rest on the year we save $200,000 Win for Mark in that has a benchmark he can improve and show why he should continue next year Win for the players to be given a chance to back their coach rather than him getting axed straight away They clearly have some support in the sense they are giving him a chance - don't believe the polarizing by the media that the only person who supported him was PJ. Next time drop the personal attacks.

Would just like to try and clarify this: Jeff Kennet has been approached by SOME MEMBERS, NOT THE BOARD, to stand against the current board and become president....

You've got to wonder what all this noise does to the players... It can't be healthy going into a tough game, after your coach has been put on notice, and having someone (particularly an ex player like Ox) saying he hopes they get flogged. Pretty average by the Ox, and not the first time. Not president, board or club material.

Haha I only mentioned it because my mate has the same habit... one also pronounces hyperbole not as hy-per-bo-le but as hyper-bole. Can't tell you how many times I have pronounced it wrong because of him.

Ah ha! But aposiopesis can be used by using an ellipsis, ergo back to my original statement that should only have three dot points!

Haha ditto. You said that ideally you hoped that Magner wouldn't be on our list next year because you wanted our list's overall skills to be above his. I tried to shoot you down saying you should want players to develop ect. but you're right. I thought about this when I was looking at Bail/MacKenzie...

Ironic in that you're highlighting irony in another user's post where they called people idiots whilst containing gramatical errors, only for you to make an error by putting too many dot points in your ellipsis. Quality.

Thanks for keeping me on my toes. I've got to check my posts more. BTW, I owe you an apology for me raving on about Magner and your statement a while back. You're right.

And you've clearly chosen to be pedantic about a clear mistake. Obviously meant 2012, typo.... particularly when I mention under Neeld - twice.

The only long suffering readers are us having to put up with your ongoing posts Satyriconhome. Pick your battles mate. People are allowed to have an opinion (unfortunately). WYL always goes on about tanking and 186. I like to call him out on it but once you've got your point accross and you keep on posting about it endlessly you start to look like a hyprocrite because now you're the broken record. Again, pick your battles (now I sound like a broken record...)

Disregarding 2006 (not fair to include debut year/would distort stats), Jones has averaged 15% more disposals, 11% more kicks, 19% more handballs, 20% more goals, 14% more behinds, 36% more tackles and 396% more browlow votes in 2012 to 2013 than in 2007 to 2011. Jones has played well for a long time, but there is no doubt, particularly considering the brownlow votes, that Jones has improved under MN... and also that he hasn't always been at current form (which was my point, again emphasised in the end of my post), which is what people have been suggesting. Enough facts for you stuie? I could go on - 176% more frees for

N Jones - only started playing good footy in 2011 2012 under Neeld. [thank you to stuie] Blease - hasnt improved Strauss - has been injured (shoulder reco/broken leg) not a fair assesment on improvement as no original benchmark. Hasn't been playing too badly, biggest issue is consistently gives away frees. McKenzie - I don't mean to be rude but Jordie isn't really AFL material. Plays with gutts, gets touches but the AFL level skills just aren''t there and probably wont be. Happy to be proved wrong. Trengrove - injured foot not a fair assesment on performance so far this season. Needs more time to recover Watts - has played his best footy under Neeld Fitzpatrick - hard to determine. Development player. Needs to play more games to assess. Tynan - see above Taggart - hasnt improved & yet to debut Davis - injured last year (thyriod issue) There are clearly players that have improved under MN (Jones, Garland, Grimes, Watts), players that have developed well under MN (Terlich, M Jones, Tappy, Gawn, possibly Kent), players that are yet to be determined (Fitzpatrick, Strauss, Trengrove), players that haven't improved/developed under MN (Jamar, Pederson, Blease, Taggart, McKenzie, Bail ect.) If you're going to scrutinise MN and if players have developed/improved or not then you need to have a look at the whole list, not just pick and choose those that suit you're argument - particularly players that have been injured (Strauss) and players that under any other circumstance wouldnt be on our list (McKenzie). Clearly improvement hasnt been negligible at any level, and people are taking Jone's current form for granted - he did not always play like this well dispite being in the system for long enough.

I'm starting to anti-Neeld supporter's logic: Blame lack of improvement on Neeld Blame improvement on anything but Neeld

Particularly Pedersen...

Warren PJ's in the house Just joking.

In Gawn... purely because of all the byes my dreamteam is in shatters and I need Gawn to play

Frawley is signed till the end of next year...

1) To win against St. Kilda and Bulldogs 2) See Davey's fitness at AFL level - the experience, leadership and spirit (apart from Tappy the only guy who backs up team mates) he provides is invaluable 3) Tommy Mac get some more experience. He was playing a bit better pre shoulder, its a long journey but considering the ball will be down there 90% of the game its a great chance to work on them. 4) I'd like to see Kent used similar to how Brisbane uses Rich. Next year we have a pretty formidable forward line up (Clark, Dawes, Hogan, Howe or Watts) but Kent's long bomb can make us more dangerous. 5) Re sign Silvia - priority 6) Keep Watts - basically a utility player, would like to see what he can do on the wind 7) Look for full bodied mids in the draft - we went for an undeveloped but skilled mid (Toumpas) last year which is good, but time to get a full bodied one this year 8) More effort 9) New leadership squad - I'm happy with the Jacks but would be nice to give some players more responsibilities and get a good leadership squad around them 10) To win against the Bulldogs (we play WBD twice)

There are ususally 11 of these meetings throughout the year, every single club and public company has them. It was scheduled in the morning most likely because of the large agenda they had: PJ presenting his findings, FD report and current situation/What to do about MN. What would you rather they do? Have it in the middle of the night, down a dark alley way, where they have to knock on an old rusty door and repeat the second verse of the club song to get entry?

I forgot to mention the AFL. WIth the expansion clubs our picks haven't been anywhere near those of previous spoons like St. Kilda + the tanking fine for not tanking. At the end of the day we can sit here and point fingers but that won't help us improve and move on. The board have elected a new CEO PJ is sorting out the FD department Neeld knows that he is on notice in regards to this short-term performance Players know they need to put in more effort (correlation with their effort and determining Neeld's fate). As for the financials we have a new sponsor, the FD restructure might help on only from a football performance perspective but also financially, and if we have to get rid of Neeld at the end of the year the payout will be reduced by $200k compared to not giving him a chance and getting rid of him now. Baby steps. There are no quick fixes.

CS for an overcomplicated FD department FD (needs to take responsibility for structure too) Board for electing CS Players being lazy (a cultural issue during and since DB) Previous rececrutment (Prendergast) The sacking of Norm Smith The water boys/girls The runners The Freys... god damn them Batman Spiderman Uncorodinated people The bird that keeps relieveing itself on my car on a daily basis The Age Collingwood/Hawthorn supporters Caroline Wilson Car hoons Today Tonight Celebrity Splash ... You get the picture. We are in this situation because of a combination of factors (FD, players, MN, previous recruiting from Pendergast ect.); focusing on one or several parties but excluding others doesn't really do it justice. The same approach must be taken to fix it too. (I was being serious up until Spiderman...)