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Bob, not sure how you manage people you sack or let go. They will always be upset. I note ex Richmond Coach Terry Wallace admitted tanking, was he badly managed by the Tigers? Fevola and Libba said the Blues tanked, did the Blues badly manage that? Reimers put the Bombers in did the Bombers badly manage that? Jesse McGrath of the Lions put them in today for match fixing and drug use. Did the Lions badly manage that? BTW do you think the Lions will cop a 7 month investigation on the back of a former player saying they match fixed , spot fixed and bought drugs off him. Bet your life the AFL will find a way to ignore it. Caro says if the Blues had a vault meeting and were guilty they should also be investigated. Do you see anything unusual in her treatment of them compared to us? "If they were guilty" and "vault meeting" which only came to light as a result of the 7 month inquiry. I just see us as a patsy. Yes we have done things poorly, but to be fair so have others, but again we take the blame, us alone. I can see why so many of our supporters have a victim mentality.

Thanks.

Anyone know how Gysberts, Moloney, Rivers and Steph are going. I missed the Cats games. Did Jared play and if so, how did he go. Will probably see Gysberts on friday.

Was there with WJ and the wives. It wasn't the heat that got me in the end, it was no banana daiquiris and bloody thumping rap music, that has given me one hell of a headache. WJ and me and the wives are now home, ready to join the tanking thread again.

Good post.

Agree. I have also just watched it and saw without any shadow of a doubt, a woman with a clear agenda, she even talked over Whately to stop him making valid points about other clubs.

It wasn't my call, I am only a guest, probably a stinking hot sweating one at that

Going to a wedding tonight in a tent in a backyard in 35 degrees. Will be sweltering. Hope the banana dacquiries are freezing cold.

Luckily I don't.

Thanks Clint.

Can you link it on here for people like me that are computer illiterate.

No it doesn't. It needs, as Eddie has said, that the AFL calls it a nil all draw and drops the case. As he said, we didn't gain what others did, for doing the same and they aren't even being investigated, even though everyone knows what went on. Unfortunately for the AFL this is not about justice but about face saving. I can't wait to see what the charges are, they interest me far more than the penalty.

Apparently and I stand to be corrected if the whole report is ever released and proves this to be wrong, but from what I have heard, the most damning bit of evidence in the whole report, is the Connolly statement, which he and Bailey have described as a joke. Bailey also said he never acted on it. Again there is no evidence of actual tanking or match fixing. No wonder the lawyers want us let off or head to Court. Obviously only poster boys for poster clubs like Roos at Sydney can make jokes in the AFL. I think the AFL needs to stand up and stop this now and say, extensive investigation, no proof no charges, we are sorry to the MFC for the damage this has done. Think I saw a pig fly past that fairy at the bottom of my garden.

Won't happen as we are the designated patsy.

For what it is worth Ben, last night was the second time I have been told, by a different source, that there is no evidence of actual tanking or match fixing in the report of the AFL. If that is true and given our President is the third to say it, I can see why our legal advice is as everyone now seems to agree, that the case is extremely strong. This whole shameful episode is now about the AFL saving face for launching an Inquisition against one club, that received the lowest gain of all clubs that did the same thing.

You could be correct on the second point, but as that leading journalist CW says, the club will be stained. Personally I believe the current Board owes it to those who went before and will come after, to maintain the best possible image for the club and therefore as I am confident that in a "legal " fight we would win, I would not accept any finding of cheating. Find another set of words and it may be fine. As to your first point I believe the AFL can do whatever they want, using whatever standards they need, to make findings and administer their competition. HOWEVER, if those findings are challenged they need to pass the Natural Justice test in a Court and then a legal interpretation is placed on the behaviour and they must pass that standard, or have their rulings set aside. That can happen in a multitude of ways, as simply for example as a Court finding that decisions were wrongly made, bias has been shown, hearings if any weren't porperly conducted, evidence was illegally obtained, a finding was so far against the weight of evidence as to make it wrong, etc, etc,etc.,

It was actually after an AFL led nightmare.

Happy to, but I don't want to [censored] him off before we hear the result and then he finds me guilty of bringing the game into disrepute, for telling the truth..

That is what Patrick Smith in the Australian has also said.

Well here is my view on this whole sordid episode. The MFC should be completely exonerated, due to lack of any legally binding evidence and the damage/penalty it has already suffered, to its brand and commercial operations, as a result of a selective investigation, for a course of conduct widely accepted being done by many other clubs, with most gaining substantially more benefit and advantage than the MFC, yet without investigation by the ruling body and without any explanation from it, as to why that is so.

Back to CW for a moment. In her latest piece of trash she states that it is true that the AFL has strong evidence in its 800 page report on Melbourne tanking. My info is exactly the opposite and our President agrees. Next she said " TANKING is a sensitive issue, particularly for Melbourne people who know how badly the club botched its attempts to gain early draft picks - and how the club botched the results. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/muckup-to-be-a-stain-on-demons-20130215-2eisg.html#ixzz2L0mx7QHR I thought we actually got the picks and then selected T$ and JT. One is the highest paid inexperienced AFL player in the history of the game and he was taken from us by the AFL in pathetic fashion, with AFL money and handed to another club, the other player is our Co Captain. For losing T$ we have a Dawes, Barry and Hogan. Question to the harpie, how did we botch the attempt to get the picks and next how did the club botch the results?

Would say a lot about their new found Integrity.

I thought legally proved guilt was the biggest issue.

I know this should be on the tanking thread, but I can't come to grips with us in any way accepting us being labelled cheats. There are just too many ramifications. I hope our Board is tough on this.

Looking like somewhere around 4th game is best scenario, according to a news report.