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I didn’t want 5 players delisted, as 2 are contracted or FA, Tomo and Hunt. I would not be unhappy to move on the other 3 and as I said, one or both of the other 2 could leave for better money or opportunities. If that happened and Bowes came, we add a hbf with him, get pick 7 and have a large amount of salary cap room for use. We would also have a pick for Tomo if he left and a compo pick for Hunt if he left. These picks can then be bundled to get one better one. I however don’t expect that to happen. Personally I would rather bring in high end young talent, than keep a 33 year old Hibbo and 32 year old Melk for one year. Even moving on Baker, Melk and Hibbo would be more than Bowes contract. We still would have Salem, Bowey, Smith, Turner, Rivers, Brayshaw, JJ and Bowes as back flankers with maybe Taj as another to come, if they all went, which is highly unlikely and Melk and Tomo aren’t half backs anyway. For example Matthew Jefferson, the Vic Metro FF would likely be there at 7. Would you rather have him, or Hibbo and Melk for one year. There are plenty of other young players if not him. This is a great opportunity with the Jacko trade as well, to get a few high end talented players. We might not get this type of opportunity again in the next few years.

Spargo was in hospital with a damaged larynx. Viney has just had eye surgery. I supect Clarry may have had a fractured cheekbone from the Swans game and certainly was hampered by a recent broken thumb. That is 12 players not at their peak fitness. Despite that only poor kicking cost us a PF, so we are still thereabouts.

I think we all know who they are.

You add Baker and one of or both of Melk and Hibbo and you are well ahead on salary cap room.

We must attempt to continually upgrade and improve our side, to achieve the best chance of long term success. That could among other things, involve letting DL favourites go.

Read the post I answered. I was answering who would play Hibbo’s role if he left.

I would love to have seen Toby tried on a hbf, with his pace and line breaking, like the highly successful Daniel Rioli move.

He plays mainly half back.

Perhaps the same bloke we use if he is injured and in the years to follow.

Well, they should have waited to see the landscape. If Melk and Hibbo got better offers, then so be it. IMO a mistake.

He clearly wasn't Jimmy Munro.

No we have the want for pick 7, absolutely. Delist Melk, Hibbo and Baker and we would be well ahead on salary cap space taking Bowes , Hunt and Tomlinson could leave and that's a heap more. I hope we are in this up to our eyeballs.

Just by the way on Grundy, one good tap in the forward pocket each game, could be an extra goal every game to us. One good tap in the middle could be another.

Yes I can see that. I have always been a Hunt fan. I stand to be corrected as I obviously don't know the actual figures, but if we assumed Hunt $400k, Hibbo $500k, Melk $500k and Baker $150k that is $1550m and say Bowes backended contract if $700k. We have $850k next year to use. Would you let Hunt go, delist Hibbo, Baker and Melk, get Bowes and pick7, a compo pick for Hunt and have more salary cap room to deal with? I would. Actually could still keep Hunt and be ahead on salary cap and have 7.

Fair enough, I am not an Accountant and was looking for benefits, but more money and a longer career may have some interest to a player.

Agree.

Agree, but are you sure that tier doesn't end at 7?

No, we are discussing what we pay for Grundy and IMO he has to come at a bargain price or forget it. They will sell, as we are the only buyer.

Correct. We are the ones helping with their problem not ours. We are in pole position here, I don't want to go back to near the end of the starting grid.

That was not what was reported and tbh most clubs would not be interested in that at all. What is the benefit then?

That is what has been reported though, that the Suns will look at 7 and Bowes, for his full contract to be taken over. What if we did that, got in Bowes and said we will give you a 3 year contract at say $500k a year, so he gets a bit less in the first two years but more over 3 years and has a 3 year deal which gives him some security and spreads his tax load.. We then have pick 7, along with the Jacko picks. What if Hunt leaves, who is probably on about $400k and we get a compo pick and have Bowes to replace him. We could move on Baker, Melk and Hibbo and be a fair bit ahead on our salary cap. Tomlinson may also go saving us another $500k. Can you see any other way we could get 7, which when added to the Jacko picks would give us the ability to add to our list with high end talent.

From the point of view of someone who’s just had some old wounds reopened by this: I know only too well the unbearable pain of losing a baby (twice). But in my case, Nature/the Universe/whoever/ whatever decided this little person was not meant to live for whatever reason. I can’t begin to imagine what it must be like to have been forced to kill (let’s not mince words) your own unborn child. It’s unconscionable. For this reason alone, there’s simply no way this can be diluted and then eventually forgotten about. Postface: this has nothing to do with ProLife/ProChoice. These are very brave posts by WCW and DEEfence and they should be commended for sharing very private and painful memories. The world must get better and the good will lead the way. PS can a mod fix this post please to show both posts I am referring to.

These are very brave posts from WCW and DEEfence and they should be commended for sharing such private and painful memories. The world must get better and the good must lead the way.

To get pick 7, I would look at taking Bowes for 2 years and clearing some some room to accomodate him. Baker, Melk and Hibbo would probably be more than enough and there is uncertainty over Hunt and Tomlinson. Hunt as a free agent would give us a compo pick if he left and Tomlinson would free up another $500k for 2 years. Added to the Jacko trade, we could get some really good young talent that our ladder position wouldn’t give us access to ordinarily. This could be monumental for the next few years, as we bring in un gettable talent, while still being a flag contender.

I understand that, but it’s an illustration of the reward to a club that helps another salary dump. We are helping with about $3.5m in salary dumping and should be being rewarded, as there is no other club that Grundy will go to. Therefore we get a pick, or give a low pick, or there is no salary dump. Giving a first rounder in these circumstances, where it’s coming from the Pies to move him on, would be ridiculous IMO.