Its Time for Another

Agreed. However, there have been a series of very poor list management decisions made over the past few years which appear to have eaten up a lot of salary cap space which has left us out of the conversation in pursuing a series of A and B list players. Look at what StKilda have achieved the last few years and Carlton the last couple of years.

Truly hope this doesn't mean they are going to move Jason Taylor. Isn't Mahoney responsible for List Management now. Look where that's got us.

That would be the mad Choco Williams who decided out of spite that he would hold a press conference and announce that his assistant coach Dean Bailey would be Melbourne's next coach. The mad Choco Williams who in his greatest moment as the siren rang making him a Premiership Coach could only think of having a go at the Club's main sponsor. The mad Choco Williams who has burnt off a series of minor clubs which were the only places he could get a gig. I don't think so. The days of getting a mad firebrand into the place are long gone.

On the face of it I agree with you here, however, if GWS pay all of T Mac's salary which is rumoured to be around $750k it would probably be worth it.

Someone suggested the value of the picks in return for T Mac might be reduced the more the other team is prepared to pay of his contract with us.

I suspect his worth will be even greater in the decisions about the Bentleigh Club.

I tried to renew directly with the Club a few years ago and they said I needed to do it through the MCC as I'm a dual member. I would say that's because they want to keep track of dual members.

No surprise he resigned. Bit surprised it's for so long. They must be confident his foot issues are behind him. Mods just saw this is covered in the trading forum. I'll have to leave it to you to delete it.

It's misguided to think of it as Frost v O Mac. Frost had one good year because all the other defenders were out injured. His contract came up and he tried to hold the club over a barrel demanding considerable overs. Hawks needed him more than us and were prepared to pay the overs. The salary cap was already massively over committed in the backline. I'd take Petty over him any day. Once fit, assuming he plays back not forward we would be having an issue fitting him in anyway. Salary cap still has to be allocated to other areas of the ground. He forced the club's hand. I liked Frosty but we effectively got Langdon for him and he already is having way more impact on the team than Frost's departure will ever have. Good luck to him. It's a win win as far as I'm concerned.

Now finals are almost certainly out of the question why not give him a few games to set him up for next year. Nothing to lose now.

Cerra for Brayshaw anyone?

Not quite right on the Rivers pick. Effectively we swapped Frost for Langdon and Rivers through a series of trades of picks. The future second rounder we gave Freo for Langdon was effectively replaced with Hawthorn's future second rounder as part of the Frost trade. So it was really Frost for Langdon and what's turned out to be an upgrade of this year's second rounder by up to 8 places. We used that pick 26 from Freo and Hawks pick 50 from Frost deal and this year's first rounder as part of the swap for pick 8 which became picks 10 and 28 which got us Kossie plus Rivers.

On the other hand. People get injured in these tackles because they have their heads smashed into the ground. It's obviously a differently executed tackle if someone does it and avoids smashing the head into the ground. Is that just sheer luck or technique? I don't know. IMO it should be erdadicated from the game. I don't remember seeing wing sling tackles like these that the older players carry on saying they were all ok back in the day.

This is a fantastic position to be in for now. We are very lucky the training and admin facilities hadn’t started or it would be looking a bit different. I’m grateful we’re where we are right now and I’ll be grateful when we have the facilities when we can afford them post Covid. Pert and his team clearly have worked miracles to be in this position this year. Over to you Goody. Bring the wins. Save the Club.

They have an excellent system around contests so they can whisk the ball away to players standing outside the contest. A few weeks ago we were all stacks on the mill in the contest and I wouldn't have given us much of a chance. The last three or so games and especially last week we've really started to keep a structure out of the contest. If we do that I fancy our chances. If we don't we'll be playing into their hands. Feels like as big of a game as we've had in quite a while. Wouldn't have been if we'd lost last week. Go Dees!!

I really hope Goody has the team fired up to jump in and get around Maxy if they target him again like they did all game last year. It was a real low point seeing no one going in to fly the flag around him.

I think it was O Mac who said in his post game video that they are used to living there from doing the pre season camps up there the past couple of years. It's apartment accomodation rather than hotel rooms so maybe that suits them better. I'm guessing it's also a lot more effective for distancing staying away from all the other teams at the cost of an extra hours driving once a week or however often games are going to be. I assume also has the benefit of no limitations on access to the training grounds and facilities they use with the added benefits of not needing to share them with other teams.

I think Charlie Spargo is in one of the photos the Club just posted of the first training session up there so looks like they aren't isolated from the rest of the group.

I wonder if in order to fit all games in they will still have teams fly in and out of NSW. Hope Dees come back to Sydney. What a joy being able to go to the last two weeks has been up here. As many games as they played up here in more than 10 years.

Very interesting question willmoy. I thought there was a lot of body language going off during the game that you don't pick up on TV. I was particularly pleased to be there for that reason. My take on his body language for what it's worth was that he wasn't attacking contests going for his marks like I saw him do in his first couple of seasons. His body language said to me that in his head he isn't entirely confident in his own ability at the moment. He wasn't taking aggressive grabs his hands were quite flat and thus he dropped a few he used to hold. He also struggles a bit when other players are in the drop zone. I don't think he's using his body enough at the moment to push them out of the way so he can put himself in the best spot. It's easier said than done but it has to happen to be an effective forward. But in my view, again for what it's worth I thought you could physically see his body language and confidence starting to come back after he held those two excellent contested marks. He's certainly got the package. I really felt his body language told a lot that his problem is above the shoulders. I also didn't realise it's 12 mths since he's played in the firsts. 12 months!! And we all get stuck into him so much. I really hope they give him a good 4 or 5 games now no matter what the output. On body language. In the first quarter it really felt like all the players were very tentative and scared to make mistakes. This was actually mentioned by Goody in the post game pressie. He said they were being too cautious and he had to get them to take the game on. They noticeably did that as soon as they came out in the second quarter. It was interesting seeing the game day vid on the Club website with Goody's pre game address to players where he said I won't send out a message for your execution just take the game on. That's exactly what didn't happen in the first quarter. So really interesting to witness the body language and psychology live. I really like what I saw of Goody's game day addresses. The most inspiring I've seen him.

I was lucky enough to go to the game. Interesting how good Weid looks when teammates honour his leads and actually kick the ball to the right spot in front of him.

I switched to Kayo last month. If you have internet from Telstra you can get 12mths of Kayo for $15 a month. I've been very impressed so far. Picture quality is very good. Love the fact you don't have to record anything they have. It's always immediately available. Some good tools like Match Highlights so you can use the toolbar to go to each goal scored etc. Can go straight in and watch from live or from the start. Only minor issue is that the streaming rate means that some movement like the ball through the air has minor microsecond drop outs so it looks like its pulsing. I've got used to that now and hardly notice it.

I think the relevant comparison is Young v Rivers not Jackson. I looked at the comparison a few weeks ago and Rivera had more disposals at much higher. DE than Young. A good HBF isn’t worth nearly as much as what Jackson will bring if he delivers. Rivers doesn’t have to be as good as Young, just nearly, for this to be a win win. So far he’s looking as good. Rivers is the key to the success of the decision to pick Jackson and to trade for Norths picks.

I agreed with your first two points at the time they were made but you've missed my point which is that all these decisions were largely based on the gamble that Weid had come of age as a key forward. Hogan could therefore go and be replaced with a backman not a forward. That was the gamble. Weid not even being able to get a game has a domino effect on a series of list management decisions.

I was also strongly of this view, however, Rivers looks likely to turn this thinking on it's head. He was a potential top 10 pick before he got glandular fever over his last junior pre season. I've watched Young closely so far this season and I don't think we've missed much be getting Rivers. The bonus is we also get Jackson. Unfortunately the List Managers and recruiters have been gambling the last couple of years and those gambles so far have mostly blown up in their faces. First gamble was at the end of 2018 that Weid had proved enough that he was coming of age. Second gamble was on the basis of that virtually pushing Hogan out of the door. Third gamble on the back of that was getting in a key back in May instead of a key forward in King. None of those gambles would have looked bad if Weid had come on. Weid can't get a game now and T Mac has vanished since the end of 2018. Now the one gamble led to potentially three failed gambles. They've now gone and taken a very big gamble on Jackson. They might be right. They might also be wrong. He had very limited exposure as a key forward and is very raw in that position especially compared to the Kings. He's also very raw as a ruckman and short for a ruckman. Time will tell.