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NOW @TimGossage on Jesse Hogan's tour of Fremantle "He was there for four hours" #NABTradeRadio
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"_____________________ would be open to a trade should the right opportunity come up." Where have I heard this before?
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INDICATIVE DRAFT ORDER (after the finals series) ROUND ONE 1. Carlton 2. Gold Coast 3. St Kilda 4. Brisbane 5. Fremantle 6. Western Bulldogs 7. Adelaide 8. Essendon 9. Port Adelaide 10. North Melbourne 11. Geelong 12. Sydney 13. Greater Western Sydney 14. Hawthorn 15. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 16. Richmond 17. Collingwood 18. Gold Coast (received off West Coast) ROUND TWO 19. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 20. West Coast (received from Gold Coast) 21. Port Adelaide (received from St Kilda) 22. Brisbane 23. Greater Western Sydney (received from Fremantle) 24. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs) 25. Carlton (received from Adelaide) 26. Gold Coast (received from Essendon) 27. Port Adelaide 28. North Melbourne 29. Gold Coast (received from Geelong) 30. Sydney 31. Essendon (received from Greater Western Sydney) 32. Hawthorn 33. Melbourne 34. Richmond 35. Sydney (received from Collingwood) 36. West Coast ROUND THREE 37. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 38. Gold Coast 39. North Melbourne (received off St Kilda via on-trades) 40. Brisbane 41. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle) 42. Western Bulldogs 43. Melbourne (received from Adelaide) 44. Greater Western Sydney (received from Essendon) 45. Port Adelaide 46. Port Adelaide (received from North Melbourne) 47. Geelong 48. Collingwood (received from Sydney) 49. Greater Western Sydney 50. Hawthorn 51. Melbourne 52. Geelong (received from Richmond) 53. Collingwood 54. North Melbourne (received from West Coast via on-trades) ROUND FOUR 55. Geelong (received from Carlton) 56. Geelong (received from Gold Coast) 57. St Kilda 58. Brisbane 59. Western Bulldogs (received from Fremantle) 60. Western Bulldogs 61. St Kilda (received from Adelaide via on-trades) 62. Essendon 63. St Kilda (received from Port Adelaide) 64. North Melbourne 65. Carlton (received from Geelong) 66. Sydney 67. Greater Western Sydney 68. West Coast (received from Hawthorn via on-trades) 69. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 70. Richmond 71. Collingwood 72. West Coast ROUND FIVE 73. Carlton 74. Gold Coast 75. St Kilda 76. Brisbane 77. Fremantle 78. Western Bulldogs 79. Adelaide 80. Essendon 81. Port Adelaide 82. North Melbourne 83. Geelong 84. Sydney 85. Greater Western Sydney 86. Hawthorn 87. Melbourne 88. Richmond 89. Collingwood 90. West Coast ROUND SIX 91. Carlton 92. Gold Coast 93. St Kilda 94. Brisbane 95. Fremantle 96. Western Bulldogs 97. Adelaide 98. Essendon 99. Port Adelaide 100. North Melbourne 101. Geelong 102. Sydney 103. Greater Western Sydney 104. Hawthorn 105. Melbourne 106. Richmond 107. Collingwood 108. West Coast
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The third tall forward point loses a bit of cache when you see the club chasing hard for Preuss from North Melbourne. You might be able to fit 3KPPs into the forward lineup but not 3KPPs and Gawn/Preuss. On a side note, it was refreshing to see how Nathan Jones is dealing with the issue compared with Tex Walker’s fit of pique last year when it was announced that Jake Lever was leaving the Crows. AFL trade news: Melbourne’s Jesse Hogan to be traded to Fremantle for two first round picks, per report
The fact that the deal between Carlton and Judd was as good as done by the middle of that season is also the explanation given for the Blues’ dramatic fall from grace and them losing the last 11 games in a row including the famous “Kreuzer Cup” game in Round 22. It really should have been called the “Kreuzer-Judd” Cup because it secured both players for them. Ironically, more than a decade later, Dennis Pagan who was coach of Carlton on Kreuzer Cup day will today be presenting the Jock McHale Medal to the premiership-winning coach and one of the players in the winning team could well be Josh Kennedy, the young key forward who the Blues gave away as part of the deal to get the Judd trade done. Worth thinking about if we do end up trading our own key forward in Jesse Hogan.
Also reflecting on the failure of the two development ruckmen the club has on its list, this would seem a brilliant and a necessary move to prolong Max Gawn’s time at the top in the game, especially in the light of some of the changes being mooted to the playing rules for next year.
Quite right Mr. Leg. I did tape the TAC Cup Grand Final with the intention of watching it during my week off work but it’s taken a while to get around to it because of the wonderful weather up here on the Gold Coast. I finished the task this morning. I suppose that what we’re looking at in Bedford is a player who might be a Daniel Rioli type who exerts a great deal of defensive pressure with his pace and tackling but isn’t going to necessarily rack up high possession numbers. In the preliminary final - the game in which he received a lot of accolades from the draft watchers - he managed only 13 touches In the grand final, he started off slowly but did lay some strong tackles without getting any other stats. He really didn’t get into the game until the second quarter and was credited with 10 disposals altogether for the game. He showed out from time to time with some good runs, a few effective tackles, some glimpses of excitement and potential but on this performance, I can’t see any opposition club putting in any early bids for him. He’s certainly not going to challenge for Melbourne’s midfield any time in the immediate future - his pace and skills are good but need development. I would like to think we could get him either as a late selection in the draft or, more likely as a rookie.
Sam McClure of SEN puts forward his idea of a blockbuster trade that could see Melbourne secure Gold Coast’s Steven May. May has a year left on his contract so McClure opines that there may be a problem. “The sticking point here is that the Gold Coast Suns aren’t going to trade Steven May, unless they get something overs for him.” McClure reckons that Lachie Neale could be the key to the matter. “Lachie Neale goes to Brisbane for Brisbane’s first pick – currently pick five – that is on-traded to Melbourne from Fremantle for Jesse Hogan, and that then allows Melbourne to with that pick for Jesse Hogan to get Steven May. “I’m of strong belief that the Gold Coast Suns would accept pick five for Steven May.” In other words, from Melbourne’s point of view, they get May in return for Hogan suggesting that he is worth exactly the same as May - a first round pick (notwithstanding that Hogan is a high ranking key position forward who is also in contract and three years younger than the Gold Coast defender). To accept such a trade would be madness.
Review of Toby Bedford’s performance in the TAC Cup Grand Final from AFL Draft Central ~ Scouting notes: 2018 TAC Cup Grand Final #15 Toby Bedford “He set the tone early with a great tackle inside 50 and just seemed to find space around the ground winning the ball. At times he danced around opponents and tried to set up plays, and while he was not as effective as his past two finals, still had a few eye-catching moments. He kicked an important goal in the second term to keep Dandenong’s momentum high, he just did not have the four quarter consistency on the day, picking up nine of his 10 touches in the middle two quarters.”
I don’t think either club can complain about the outcome. Based on lady year’s draft, they are getting access to players who would be available in the 20s or 30s. If they select or trade those picks well, it should be adequate in terms of assistance.
We were very fortunate that Max was fit to play in every game this year because we had no back up rucks of quality to replace him had it proved necessary. One could have mounted a case for the use of undersized back ups but I don’t think that would necessarily work at the pointy end of the season in a big game. With Preuss as back up to Max and Austin Bradtke as the understudy, our ruck stocks are looking a lot better going forward into 2019.
Like most, I would prefer that he stays but if we can’t convince him to do so, then his value should be assessed at least at the equivalent of the two first round picks it cost us to get Jake Lever. Terry Wallace has placed Chad Wingard at that level and Hogan is IMO worth more than that. We are facing an interesting month or so ahead.
INDICATIVE DRAFT ORDER (after week three of the finals) ROUND ONE 1. Carlton 2. Gold Coast 3. St Kilda 4. Brisbane 5. Fremantle 6. Western Bulldogs 7. Adelaide 8. Essendon 9. Port Adelaide 10. North Melbourne 11. Geelong 12. Sydney 13. Greater Western Sydney 14. Hawthorn 15. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 16. Richmond 17. Collingwood 18. Gold Coast (received off West Coast) ROUND TWO 19. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 20. West Coast (received from Gold Coast) 21. Port Adelaide (received from St Kilda) 22. Brisbane 23. Greater Western Sydney (received from Fremantle) 24. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs) 25. Carlton (received from Adelaide) 26. Gold Coast (received from Essendon) 27. Port Adelaide 28. North Melbourne 29. Gold Coast (received from Geelong) 30. Sydney 31. Essendon (received from Greater Western Sydney) 32. Hawthorn 33. Melbourne 34. Richmond 35. Sydney (received from Collingwood) 36. West Coast ROUND THREE 37. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 38. Gold Coast 39. North Melbourne (received off St Kilda via on-trades) 40. Brisbane 41. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle) 42. Western Bulldogs 43. Melbourne (received from Adelaide) 44. Greater Western Sydney (received from Essendon) 45. Port Adelaide 46. Port Adelaide (received from North Melbourne) 47. Geelong 48. Collingwood (received from Sydney) 49. Greater Western Sydney 50. Hawthorn 51. Melbourne 52. Geelong (received from Richmond) 53. Collingwood 54. North Melbourne (received from West Coast via on-trades) ROUND FOUR 55. Geelong (received from Carlton) 56. Geelong (received from Gold Coast) 57. St Kilda 58. Brisbane 59. Western Bulldogs (received from Fremantle) 60. Western Bulldogs 61. St Kilda (received from Adelaide via on-trades) 62. Essendon 63. St Kilda (received from Port Adelaide) 64. North Melbourne 65. Carlton (received from Geelong) 66. Sydney 67. Greater Western Sydney 68. West Coast (received from Hawthorn via on-trades) 69. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 70. Richmond 71. Collingwood 72. West Coast ROUND FIVE 73. Carlton 74. Gold Coast 75. St Kilda 76. Brisbane 77. Fremantle 78. Western Bulldogs 79. Adelaide 80. Essendon 81. Port Adelaide 82. North Melbourne 83. Geelong 84. Sydney 85. Greater Western Sydney 86. Hawthorn 87. Melbourne 88. Richmond 89. Collingwood 90. West Coast ROUND SIX 91. Carlton 92. Gold Coast 93. St Kilda 94. Brisbane 95. Fremantle 96. Western Bulldogs 97. Adelaide 98. Essendon 99. Port Adelaide 100. North Melbourne 101. Geelong 102. Sydney 103. Greater Western Sydney 104. Hawthorn 105. Melbourne 106. Richmond 107. Collingwood 108. West Coast
Terry Wallace has revealed his top 10 players outside the AFL system who clubs should consider recruiting in this year’s draft. I think he erred in omitting Sam Collins of Werribee who I would rank ahead of anyone on this list. Plough’s top 10 potential draftees outside the AFL system Plough’s top 10 state level players (not in any order): Mitch Grigg (Norwood/SANFL) Shane McAdam (Sturt/SANFL) Josh Clayton (Southport/NEAFL) Michael Gibbons (Williamstown/VFL) Ryan Gilmore (Townsville/Gold Coast Academy) Josh Corbett (Werribee/VFL) Sam Sturt (Peninsula Grammar/Victoria) Jye Bolton (Claremont/WAFL) Jordan Morrissey (County Carlow/Ireland) Will Hayes (Footscary/VFL) ... and there are a couple of handy players at Casey who he has overlooked.
INDICATIVE DRAFT ORDER (after week two of the finals) ROUND ONE 1. Carlton 2. Gold Coast 3. St Kilda 4. Brisbane 5. Fremantle 6. Western Bulldogs 7. Adelaide 8. Essendon 9. Port Adelaide 10. North Melbourne 11. Geelong 12. Sydney 13. Greater Western Sydney 14. Hawthorn 15. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 16. Collingwood 17: Gold Coast (received off West Coast) 18. Richmond ROUND TWO 19. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 20. West Coast (received from Gold Coast) 21. Port Adelaide (received from St Kilda) 22. Brisbane 23. Greater Western Sydney (received from Fremantle) 24. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs) 25. Carlton (received from Adelaide) 26. Gold Coast (received from Essendon) 27. Port Adelaide 28. North Melbourne 29. Gold Coast (received from Geelong) 30. Sydney 31. Essendon (received from Greater Western Sydney) 32. Hawthorn 33. Melbourne 34. Sydney (received from Collingwood) 35. West Coast 36. Richmond ROUND THREE 37. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 38. Gold Coast 39. North Melbourne (received off St Kilda via on-trades) 40. Brisbane 41. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle) 42. Western Bulldogs 43. Melbourne (received from Adelaide) 44. Greater Western Sydney (received from Essendon) 45. Port Adelaide 46. Port Adelaide (received from North Melbourne) 47. Geelong 48. Collingwood (received from Sydney) 49. Greater Western Sydney 50. Hawthorn 51. Melbourne 52. Collingwood 53. North Melbourne (received from West Coast via on-trades) 54. Geelong (received from Richmond) ROUND FOUR 55. Geelong (received from Carlton) 56. Geelong (received from Gold Coast) 57. St Kilda 58. Brisbane 59. Western Bulldogs (received from Fremantle) 60. Western Bulldogs 61. St Kilda (received from Adelaide via on-trades) 62. Essendon 63. St Kilda (received from Port Adelaide) 64. North Melbourne 65. Carlton (received from Geelong) 66. Sydney 67. Greater Western Sydney 68. West Coast (received from Hawthorn via on-trades) 69. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 70. Collingwood 71. West Coast 72. Richmond ROUND FIVE 73. Carlton 74. Gold Coast 75. St Kilda 76. Brisbane 77. Fremantle 78. Western Bulldogs 79. Adelaide 80. Essendon 81. Port Adelaide 82. North Melbourne 83. Geelong 84. Sydney 85. Greater Western Sydney 86. Hawthorn 87. Melbourne 88. Collingwood 89. West Coast 90. Richmond ROUND SIX 91. Carlton 92. Gold Coast 93. St Kilda 94. Brisbane 95. Fremantle 96. Western Bulldogs 97. Adelaide 98. Essendon 99. Port Adelaide 100. North Melbourne 101. Geelong 102. Sydney 103. Greater Western Sydney 104. Hawthorn 105. Melbourne 106. Collingwood 107. West Coast 108. Richmond
I’m surprised that there hasn’t been any comment about the makeup of the team selected to take on Pakistan in the UAE and in particular, the non selection of Maxwell and Hanscombe. What’s happening here?
An interesting review of the draft from Peter Williams posted on bigfooty:-
INDICATIVE DRAFT ORDER (after week one of the finals) ROUND ONE 1. Carlton 2. Gold Coast 3. St Kilda 4. Brisbane 5. Fremantle 6. Western Bulldogs 7. Adelaide 8. Essendon 9. Port Adelaide 10. North Melbourne 11. Geelong 12. Sydney 13. Greater Western Sydney 14. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 15. Hawthorn 16. Collingwood 17: Gold Coast (received off West Coast) 18. Richmond ROUND TWO 19. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 20. West Coast (received from Gold Coast) 21. Port Adelaide (received from St Kilda) 22. Brisbane 23. Greater Western Sydney (received from Fremantle) 24. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs) 25. Carlton (received from Adelaide) 26. Gold Coast (received from Essendon) 27. Port Adelaide 28. North Melbourne 29. Gold Coast (received from Geelong) 30. Sydney 31. Essendon (received from Greater Western Sydney) 32. Melbourne 33. Hawthorn 34. Sydney (received from Collingwood) 35. West Coast 36. Richmond ROUND THREE 37. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 38. Gold Coast 39. North Melbourne (received off St Kilda via on-trades) 40. Brisbane 41. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle) 42. Western Bulldogs 43. Melbourne (received from Adelaide) 44. Greater Western Sydney (received from Essendon) 45. Port Adelaide 46. Port Adelaide (received from North Melbourne) 47. Geelong 48. Collingwood (received from Sydney) 49. Greater Western Sydney 50. Melbourne 51. Hawthorn 52. Collingwood 53: North Melbourne (received from West Coast via on-trades) 54. Geelong (received from Richmond) ROUND FOUR 55. Geelong (received from Carlton) 56. Geelong (received from Gold Coast) 57. St Kilda 58. Brisbane 59. Western Bulldogs (received from Fremantle) 60. Western Bulldogs 61. St Kilda (received from Adelaide via on-trades) 62. Essendon 63. St Kilda (received from Port Adelaide) 64. North Melbourne 65. Carlton (received from Geelong) 66. Sydney 67. Greater Western Sydney 68. Adelaide (received from Melbourne) 69. West Coast (received from Hawthorn via on-trades) 70. Collingwood 71. West Coast 72. Richmond ROUND FIVE 73. Carlton 74. Gold Coast 75. St Kilda 76. Brisbane 77. Fremantle 78. Western Bulldogs 79. Adelaide 80. Essendon 81. Port Adelaide 82. North Melbourne 83. Geelong 84. Sydney 85. Greater Western Sydney 86. Melbourne 87. Hawthorn 88. Collingwood 89. West Coast 90. Richmond ROUND SIX 91. Carlton 92. Gold Coast 93. St Kilda 94. Brisbane 95. Fremantle 96. Western Bulldogs 97. Adelaide 98. Essendon 99. Port Adelaide 100. North Melbourne 101. Geelong 102. Sydney 103. Greater Western Sydney 104. Melbourne 105. Hawthorn 106. Collingwood 107. West Coast 108. Richmond
I knew something was missing last night and now I know. The presence of Carlton, a club that no longer appears to have any relevance in the AFL and despite the club’s long list of past indiscretions, always seems to be first in line when the AFL hands out goodies like Friday night games and draft relief.
Three new faces. Knightmare Power Rankings - September
According to an American friend who supports the Eagles and was at the game, Johnston is the second lowest paid kicker in the NFL. He still earns $US487,500.00 which is not bad coin for someone who spent a lot of his time while on Melbourne’s list playing in the Casey seconds.
