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For the record Mandeee - I never said I was good at my job. Also, 'phenom' seems to have been in use in the US since the 1890s. These crazy American hip-hop kids with the bastardisation of our language, huh.

You can check the Foxsports website instead. Or maybe try the Advertiser or Courier Mail perhaps. The Daily Telegraph is pretty average, but as a broadsheet the Australian is a respectable paper. If not, Mungo will probably have a write-up in the Echo in the coming days. *We traded pick 8 for Fremantle's pick 10 and 28.

ManDeee - I have a writing degree and work in the field. It doesn't matter when, but 'phenom' has indeed become an accepted noun - a back-transformation which demonstrates the flexibility and thus dominance of the English language - which like all languages, should be judged on the ability to communicate an idea. In this instance, the notion that Young if a [censored] bloody good kick.

A kicking phenom. He has the best kicking I have seen in a draft prospect on the available footage. I've made it clear multiple times that I am indeed completely uniformed and he may have other weaknesses, but am still waiting for someone to show me a better pre-AFL kick?

I'll take you up on this friendly wager bin. We can split it down the middle if you fancy - the majority of games or otherwise? With pay-out from the time the outcome is clear to the end of the trade/draft period in 2020. If I lose (because of Goodwin's stubbornness), I'll paste an over-sized Oscar head onto my existing avatar. You lose and you and switch to a picture of Oscar the Grouch in a bin, with Omac's head. Deal?

I get both of your peripheral points (while not entirely agreeing - the question of stepping-up to AFL pressure should apply equally to all prospects in my opinion) - but I went back and looked at all the pre-draft footage I could find of Toumpas and Bail - and while decent kicks, I don't see anything remotely close to what I see in Young as to foot-skills. I'm open to the possibility that my constant exposure to crap kicking this year has left me biased. But I genuinely view Young as a phenom. With the bonus of a strong intercept game, leadership, and some aggression. I'm of the belief that we have a very strong list - and would usually back the candidate with the highest ceiling - but right now I just want some reliable delivery.

Yeah - it's a biased opinion, because I would be happy with Young and another prospect on top as well as limiting the GWS haul.

This is my public declaration that I no longer care who we pick. There's nothing to be gained from an emotional investment over something I know so little about. Either I will be (meaninglessly) disappointed or happy on draft night. Then in a couple of years be wrong, feel pointlessly vindicated, or carry a grudge/regret. It took me years to get over us selecting Toumpas ahead of Wines. Mid-field explosions! I then sat out the 2015 draft build-up (after briefly backing Parish) and that worked out okay. I desperately wanted Petruccelle in 2017, but I'm pretty chuffed with Fritsch. Let the cobblers cobble I say, and Welcome to Demonland . . . Whoever.

There's a lot of merit in this line of thinking.

Some of the relentless critics on here also expressed disgust with the clown who called out OMac at the members forum - recognising the fine line of public commentary. This is a useful site for venting frustration for many fans. I find most of it tedious, but I don't concern myself with what the MFC thinks about it and that we all ought to put on a public show of optimism.

Has to attend to the never-ending weiding.

Why did we spend our hand now? Why do Freo want to move up two picks? Draft tampering, that's why.

It's an amusing time of the year RN - but I sincerely believe Young has an extra-natural ability in one particular facet. We all base our draft preferences and demands on rhetoric and limited footage - to varying extents. I get as excited and hyped as the next guy on the potential superstar upside of Henry or Pickett or whoever. But while Jackson for example is touted as a speculative three-year 50-goal-come-ruck-relief-project, I think: Why can't Young, for whatever his current flaws and present draft position, also be considered a long-term project? Others may disagree, but I consider Young's kicking to be well above elite standard and transferable to AFL level. You take that sort of weapon, and then work out how best to deploy it in your system, regardless of position. IMO.

I don't care if nobody cares about my feelings, but I'm super-happy we've landed this bloke. Such an impressive operator, and already paying dividends in the other personnel we've brought on board. To single out one quote among a number of telling actions and the general atmosphere already: - Wanting to instill the same confidence in our players as he did at Port in their ability to run out games - A year after he (and Hinkley) came on board, Port lifted itself into the finals for the first time in six odd years. The next year they were seriously unlucky to miss out on a grand final berth, denied by a missed shot in the clutch. But the standout element of the 2014 season, was Port continuously overrunning teams in the last quarter. I remember thinking at the time how cocky they were, that they would coast like a prize fighter. (With a strange form-line, I think this was also when they introduced the concept of a mini mid-year 'pre-season'). Port in 2014 (as a quick recap): Rnd 1: one goal behind at 3/4-time, outscored Carlton 7.5 v 1.2 in the final quarter Rnd 2: in a comprehensive win over Adelaide after half-time, score 7.2 in the final quarter Rnd 4: annihilate Brisbane, kicking 14.6 in the second half (with another 7-goal haul in the last) . Rnd 5: with scores even at 3/4-time in a tight contest away, kick 3.3 to the Eagles' 1.2 in the last. Rnd 8: down by a goal at the final break, downs Freo with a 5.6 v 2.1 haul in the last Rnd 11: challenged all day by a valiant MFC in hot conditions in Alice, Port prove too good in the last Rnd 12: Port kick 7.5 in the last against a demoralised St Kilda. From there Port slumped for a period, with rumours of a radical mid-season approach to plan for a finals' assault. But they still retained some of their last-quarter nous, including a last-gasp Schultz win against the Dees.

Does Jones' shift to the half-forward flank - I'd suggest widely unexpected, but not unwise (one of the few who can collect around the 50 and slot it; also a reliable set shot from distance) - signal a fresh deployment for Hunt? I know he's been training up front to date, but we're running out of space for him in the forward-line (@WERRIDEE?). Meanwhile, our running half-back stocks have been depleted over summer, with not much in the way of exposed reserves.

Love it. $2 innovation. My first day of film school the lecturer asked what the most important 'role' on a set was. Then pulled out a roll of gaffa tape. We had to carry one around with us at all times.

As the NAB AFL Hyperbole period draws to a close, I have to say - I can't ever recall a top draft prospect with such prodigious kicking talent as Young. Can anyone point me to some past names with available footage? Young reminds me of some of the world's greatest ever sportsmen in his effortless control of the ball, as if its trajectory is an extension of the limb simply placing it where intended. Get him on the list and we could have the greatest tap ruckman, handballer, and kick in the history of the AFL on a single team.

Is this the result of Goodwin wasting his time flying to the US when he still hasn't reviewed the 2017 preliminary final and Hawthorn have already won eight flags during the off-season?

This is what I'm curious about. He made his debut last year after an interrupted 2018. He seems to be judged by some other measure than a few of his peers.

I concocted a scenario where we get Young, Kemp and a small forward prospect (Pickett, if you will). But I was on the metro and didn't have a pen. Now, the maths escape me. Can anyone else show their workings?

Early days. But as with most preseasons there's usually someone who goes way under the Demonland discussion radar. Curious why it's this bloke? Dunkley, Bedford, Lockhart, Sparrow etc. getting mentions. Third season in - got some exposure last year. Showed some promising glimpses. 21 years old. Some interest around Murray and then Ash in the draft. Baker has some similar highlights off half-back. What is it? Do we think he won't step it up? Unfashionable recruitment path? Written off already?

Have you considered investing in some sort of automation technology WERRIDEE? You could set up bots to scan the media for players linked to the MFC, and if they're an upgrade according to an established statistical algorithm have your first 22 instantly updated and posted to your favourite social media channels. I did some quick sums and estimate that you would save approximately 38 days per year.

He does. But didn't. (As I had expected - due to having previously done so at half-back). I also believe his poor i50 delivery is overstated on here. He can breach lines - dashing 30m and kicking 60m Even if wonky, it's better for trapping than a blind forward bomb from the middle. I didn't mind him forward - but back to half-back for mine.

MFC employees probably shouldn't be relying on our website for training times.

I'm confused.