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To play on Rocca, Gehrig, Lynch. Also he was just as good in the last handful of games in 2007 than he has ever been in his career. A versatile role player, great clubman, and worth another go around.

That he has another injury concern, unrelated to his ankle. Nobody knows what exactly, or if they do, they are not willing to divulge.

Garland is more of a flanker than Frawley... Starting FB will be Carroll. If we play well upfield he will do fine. Standouts - IF WE PLAY WELL Robertson - He'll still be where we get our goals. Rivers - Most important player at Melbourne. McLean - Leading a very talented & young midfield group.

Yeah, because who can't talk the electronic availability of training times when discussing historians getting a PhD... When I saw the headline 'Dr.Carroll' I thought a ridiculous thought...completely ridiculous...can't even type it.

Pretty sure Robbo didn't get AA selection in 2005 for his 73 goals. Deserved it though.

I'd prefer to see Newton at CHF. He won't develop in a pocket and Miller/Dunn option doesn't appeal at all at CHF. Newton or Bate at CHF. Sylvia should be looking at a flank, I wonder whether his engine will allow him to move into the midfield. Maybe with a pre-season he might be able to, although I just don't see him capable of holding a spot in the midfield.

Eddie would never let that happen...

My point is the PSD pick will be a prospective dud no matter which bloke we pick up. No guarantees. Hence the little risk, it may be a waste of a pick. But that's the PSD for you.

Jones, Bate, and Davey were in the top 5 in the Bluey. That's a pretty good sign considering Essendon's B&F was dominated by Hird, Fletcher (32), McVeigh (27), & Lucas(30). We will be very competitive next year, and we'll still be there at the end of August.

I'll look past the condescension and reply that we are talking past each other. You deride his attack on the ball and the man, as do many of us, if not all. I say he should still be held in great regard as a servant of this footy club. From what I gather, you agree, albeit before his laser skills deserted him. I personally don't have him in the 25 come round one, and I would hazard a guess that you wouldn't either. So Yze: soft, frontrunner, valued skills for better part of a decade, fine career, and not in the starting 22 come 2008. Agree?

I don't know what you expect from a bloke as thin and as soft as Yze. He got the footy, he delivered it well. That was his job for a decade. He is/was extremely good at it. Stats are always meaningless when they don't support a certain view that is ingrained in ones mind. I stand by the assertion that, for what Yze was (a frontrunning winger, FP, HBF), he was very good for a decade.

Yze (No need for games, he played every one from '98-'06, and 9 in '07 YEAR DISPOSALS GOALS TACKLES SUMMARY 1998 489 7 37 Stellar year for a 20 yr old 1999 348 10 26 Disappointing year, especially for a frontrunning winger 2000 534 37 42 Stellar season 2001 489 24 37 Solid year in a dissapointing season 2002 546 19 67 Stellar season 2003 453 17 43 Another solid year in a disappointing season 2004 514 19 54 Excellent to stellar season working on a back flank 2005 322 41 34 Excellent and seamless transition to forward pocket 2006 476 30 44 Solid to excellent year 2007 165 4 16 Awful season, dogged with injury after a decade of non-stop footy Yze is soft, of that there is no doubt. But that does not mean that the vitriol in this thread is justified. By my count he has enjoyed 3 stellar seasons ('98, '00 & '02), 3 excellent seasons ('04, '05 & '06), solid seasons in '01 and '03 and disappointments in '99 and '07. We all love Macca and Neita more than Yze. The fact that they are harder at the ball, and win their own ball is endearing to supporters. But you still need your quarterbacks, to reference my previous thread, and Adem Yze is one of the best this club has seen in the last 40 years. Don't ask players to do more than they can.

What risk? At no money and for a PSD pick. You can't find a less risky way of getting a former top 6 ND player onto a list.

I think people are retroactively asking alot of Yze. Yze and Green are wingers, forward pockets, and half-back flankers. They get soft footy, no doubt. But for a decade Adem Yze was a fine winger with an equisite kick. He truly was a quarterback of a kind. (Stand by for a Gridiron analogy, most should be able to follow) And the quarterbacks are the softest players in the NFL, but they are celebrated for their poise and decision making. Aswell as the execution of their skill. I think some are asking a quarterback to be judged as a running back. (Running Backs being the bloke who runs straight forward into a line of huge men becasue the quarterback palmed it to him) Bringing it back to AFL. Yze and Green over their careers have not averaged 2 tackles a game, but their value isn't in the guts. It's on the periphery. McDonald should and will be celebrated more than these two because he gets his own footy and contested ball. But don't miss the value in Yze and Green as excellent periphery players. (Although Green has that kicking thing that I mentioned earlier)

As tough as I am being on Green, most are even tougher on Yze. You must see the hyperbole in your assessments of Yze. Come on, fellas. He's better than that.

Green will kick it indiscriminately to avoid contact. Does it all the time, I can't believe no-one else notices it. If Green has a role in the midfield then Yze has a role in the forward line. Personally I'd like to see Green take on Yze's role in the FP. Make Green earn his kicks rather than get cheap ones off the half back line.

All teams have frontrunners, even good ones. He is a forward pocket now, not a midfielder. Sure he's soft, but terribly good in the forward line as he has shown before. Green also slams the ball indiscriminately onto his foot as soon as he hears 'footsteps,' and yet there are many who think he is worthy of captaining the side. Greens' faults are more damaging to the side, because he still thinks he can play in the guts. Therefore, his mistakes are magnified. Don't want to turn this into a diatribe against Green, I just want to point out that at FP there is still a role of someone as soft as Yze, who can find the footy.

We quickly get a selective memory whenever someone turns 30. In the last ten seasons, Yze has averaged 20 disposals a game. He has never been highly rated by the 'football world.' Sheahan doesn't rate him at all. Got 38 touches against Freo only this year. If he's in the best 22 play him; our team is young enough as it is. No need to cut good careers short.

Same as Judd - 2001, and 3 picks later. Huge talent, i'm not sure its a massive risk if we pick him up. For nothing. At not much.

Here we go again...

There isn't a scandal here, it's a HR issue. Harris is a fine person but he needs to provide some stability; change of behaviour? restructure? I don't know. I just know that we are wasting $ on recruitment (because of turnover) around 3 to 1 compared to other clubs. That is why the AFL is worried.

In 2006, Nathan Carroll was the 2nd best Full Back to Rutten. You can argue the opposite all you like, plenty agree with me on this. If people want to find a scapegoat next season (a la ND for 2007) Carroll should not be the one. He is capable of FB if the rest of the team does its job too.

I hate slinging mud. It's not fun at all but Harris is notoriously hard to work for and with. Was editior of the Age and has many a splintered relationship. The AFL has alerted the board to their displeasure of our turnover. As I said, 90% in the past year. It means we keep on losing money we desperately need on recruitment for vacancies. Former employees, ever diplomatic, don't refer to Harris as a reason for leaving. But when a bloke with such poor people management skills is in charge at a time of disturbing turnover, it's obvious where the problem lies.

You're not making sense, but hey it's all looking a bit moot anyway...

Nah, he did a job and we paid him. Owing nothing. And contracts mean jack sh!t these days too. 3 month waiver? Can't even get that on FIFA Manager 2007. Maybe 2008 then.