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Who do you think will overtake Jones? I can't think of anyone that we have that could do that in 1 year. He is football lightyears ahead of the next bloke.

There are posts here not discussing training! For shame...

That is one effing hell of a caveat you put at the end there. Up until we plucked Kent, Jones, Terlich, Clisby et al last year this forum would have done a better job of recruitment than those at the Dees... If you think the way you do - what is there to discuss? The club has done something, club has implied knowledge and wisdom - end discussion.

Now you are touching on one of my 'stones' - you can't replace your best players. Whether it is Fitzpatrick playing back, Dunn trying, or Giorgiou asked to do a job - you can't repalce what Frawley gives you. Maybe all they wanted was a good one-on-one defender for medium to tall forwards who could play in 2014. Frankly, I wouldn't bother with such a distinctly depth player if I was a managing our list but if you are going to go that way - you get the FB for one of the best state league teams and that is what we did...

I am sure there are better players out there with greater scope to be a player than Georgiou - I think he was the FB for Norwood and that is why he is on our RL.

I am never excited by pure depth players, and this is one of those, but if you want to get someone to play FB at a pinch you choose the undersized FB playing in a state league over the taller kid who might develop into that player after a few years.

I think he is depth for Frawley and Garland and nothing more.

I'm still trying to understand the nefariousness of Wylie being involved in what we all thought was a pre-agreed sanction of the club and Hird. It leaves a bad taste to have the ASC head involved as a quiet go-between (worse if its Essendon's mediator of sorts) but walk me through the malevolence. The HUN says there is more tomorrow so maybe that will bring something.

If the masses get angry enough we can have a vote. But I told Land this would happen - the is no need for us to stand up and yell for the club to pull its collective finger out - it's done. The AFL have parachuted in a CEO, he somehow got Roos into the fold, and the Board has a new head and is (as always it seems) impressive in the eyes of the AFL. So, no elections.

This isn't really a 'pre-season camp' in the spirit of what that means to an AFL footballer. It's two days of workshops and a theoretical run through of the gameplan. It's a Year 8 camp mixed with a corporate get-together.

Aaahhhh, I did. Well, sort of. When I wanted to expunge the LG after 2011, I supported the removal of LT as they were 'finding leaders' that weren't really leaders (Green, Rivers, Moloney, Davey, et al). I always maintained, though, that they are not to blame for anything - their methods can only reveal what is already there. If there is nothing there, you may aswell save your money - which was my point before. Now, however, I believe that they can make some hay with Jones, Clark, Dawes, Trengove, Grimes, Garland, Frawley, and Cross.

Yeah, LT reveal what you have, they don't mould leaders. Might actually work this time with us because we have decent leaders; opposed to what we had circa Bailey (exception Junior).

I know what you mean, I just see less MFC in that Red with the M one, or the 'Cartoon Demon in the middle' one, than I do in the White Imitation (yoke on yoke thingy) we have now.

We were bottom 2 in both. And yes, getting a contested ball is important. It is as important because the both require each other to be 'efficient' - a team needs both. This isn't what I am saying is it? My 'equally important' team will be balanced and hardly have all outside players as you intimate here. My point about Magner is similar to your (earlier) point about Bowden. A good player will be able to do both. I rode past this point as I have great trouble with this defensive mindset with regard to players spread and run - which is essentially what most UPs will spring from. To run off your man and be bold and trust your teammates to get you the footy is what you want to see, and do see, in good teams. I am not about to mark down the success because they did leave their opponent. Backward hypothesis? I was just following your Bowden mention with my own interpolation. Objective? I am not an Uncontested Possession... Evidence and logic is what we all see in our own arguments. I don't know what to tell you - their importance or 'value' relies on each other. Just because one comes before the other doesn't inherently make it more important. How did I go this time?

An efficient contested possession leads to an uncontested possession. To win games of footy you are going to have to have efficient uncontested possessions most of the time. I have my view - to win games of footy you have to do both well. Having some existential question of whether one is more important than the other at an atomic level is not interesting. We have to do both well to win games.

It's the 'red and the blue' - I don't like the all red thing we had a few years ago - it's not our jumper. If it's all red, it may as well be white.

I like his boldness. But turnovers will lose you your spot (if there are ready replacements) and he needs to get better. I think Grimes and Toumpas may be moved back and that will make it difficult because I like Clisby more than Terlich. We will see.

You have told us that you relayed to Dawes what people 'think of him' on here. Why don't you also tell him that some on here think he should be captain? And all the players have 'the supporters in their corner' - you wear that guernsey (even the white one) we will support you. You can relay that to the players aswell if you want to...

I think you need to calm down. They are both important - one without the other is bad football - that was my 'stupid' point about Magner and his ilk. It is why McKenzie frustrates so many. Let's take an example: Nathan Jones is in a contest and has just won the ball, he is about to have his 'contested possession,' the good team has a player in space about to maximise that with an Uncontested Possession, the bad team has no-one in space and the ball is turned over or is a ball-up. They are both important but rely on each other to be effective.

You need both. James Magner is an excellent contested possession winner in the AFL - Top 100 last season for ave CPs. But if you cannot advance the footy properly with players running into space it doesn't matter who won the football - you are going to lose it. If CPs were more important we could stack our team with Magner's but we can't - you need a balance and that is what good teams have (and great players).

Just to get back on this argument that is in a thread not related to this - UPs and CPs are equally important. And yes, at a fundamental level - it is best to be proficient at getting the ball out of contested situations, the modern game is driven by players running to space and running to receive the footy. Wholeheartedly agree. Be bold and trusting of your ability and of your teammates and you really can ride on your own confidence.

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At first glance - lol. At second glance - judos to 1870s Adelaidians (I don't know what they are called) for being so vivid and experimental.

Wouldn't be the first Demon to turn to medication.

I think it was personal - those that 'preached' about those at the club have a 'past vision' that almost brought about the end of the club. How is that not personal? The AFL stepped in months AFTER I and many other of the preachers thought Schwab should not have got his 2012 extension, the AFL stepped in AFTER I and many others of the preachers made it clear McLardy should move on, and when the AFL stepped in I, and many of my preacher cabal friends on here, welcomed the arrival of Head Office into our affairs.