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Looks calm and ready.

Nah, removed entirely from NEAFL now as Eastlake up here are the only licence. Soz.

Rawlings probably wants his own team to control and put himself up for senior gigs.

I'm now in the silent majority who doesn't really care about the fixture. We look like we can make some money on our home games and the rest is just the reality of being a small team that has done nothing.

‘Not impossible’ ’it takes work’ ’get them in to do what they can’ All of that, yet my view that one is ‘likely to remain a bad kick if you entered the AFL as one’ is ‘rubbish’? I am not going to sit here and read posters thoughts about getting a kicking coach in as if that will have a wholesale effect on the team. It won’t. A coach will help a couple of younger ones but over time and possibly to their immediate detriment as they reconstruct their action. But, yeah, rubbish...

I hate to burst your bubble - you can become a neater kick over time but there is no 'kicking coach panacea' out there. If you ain't a good kick when you enter the AFL, you are likely to remain so.

I think he can be a very capable player, but what position? A high HF with not much desire to pressure? A mid who doesn't get much footy? He has a got a decent left foot but needs to own a role. Nowhere right now.

Well, I don't remember that one incident or those other incidents, and I remember my own incidents and in the reverse. Hence, disagreement. Doesn't mean he would be a good, bad, or indifferent coach though. Moot City.

Trade week is over. Who the [censored] is Nat? Space after commas.

Never said you did. I am interested in who would be better paid than the injury prone but best ruckman in the league? Petracca, Jones, Oliver, Hogan, T Mac, Viney, ??? It's just one of those situations where we can trade him or pay him.

We agree on rucks being of lesser importance but we have the best ruck in the league. And, injury prone, or not - he is valuable and was going to get paid...

Give me ten players who should be paid more.

I used to give a sh!t about the ins and outs of every trade we were involved in but then you realise it doesn't matter. Don't sweat the small stuff. If that pick we have given up next year for Lever leads to being a good pick then that is 'big stuff' but it would mean something has gone horribly wrong...

Already been deleted.

Would love if he was entrenched in our top 15 players but he isn't. We need him though, next year, he is probably our best kick? A couple others competing for the title after Watts' exit.

Toughness gets you in the conversation both as a player and a team, and skill puts you above your peers. I know this thread was created to decry to the supposed reason for removing a player, but there is a third driver for players and teams and that is commitment. I will not make any judgement of JW here but another, more powerful, recent event - the Tigers wining the flag. The commitment that their list (their VFL did some damage too) showed to their defensive frenzy of pressure all over the ground was what won them a flag. There is no toughness or skill required - you just pressure and trust your teammates to do the same. Commitment to a game plan is too readily overlooked in my opinion and I have been impressed with our best 15-18 players commitment to what Goodwin wants them to do. Less impressed with the execution of those competing for the bottom 6 (Salem, Wagner, Hannan, et al). We are so close to that full devotion, if it clicks next year - we will be top 4.

Yes, please, want blokes to immediately push the bottom 6 in our match day 22. We want to push Salem, Harmes, Pedersen, Stretch, Vince, Hannan, Melksham, et al

Steven and Wise in another edition of "Representing other people's arguments as stupid and pointless for easy dismissal." As 'talking head' debate shows go - this is actually one of the better ones...

A great clubman and bloke. He was thrown into AFL too early - a familiar refrain of the past at the Dees - but he become a very good defender with neat skills, courage, and a brilliant reader of the play. His last act is one of sacrifice for his beloved Demons. Another who went through the crucible of those 2008-2013 years with us - for those that went through it - I am starting to realise it makes you a 'burnt on' Demon.

No. He has to earn it.

Mate, we are all in the pub across the road. There are a few still out on the ground falling over in the dark. Let them be.