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It’s fascinating isn’t it. I wonder in history if there has ever been another inside midfielder finishing ~ 3rd in a Brownlow at a young age, who then basically never plays the same position again?

Brayshaw back to defensive wing, Jordon back to primarily midfielder. Viney starting defensive half-forward flank, with occasional run in the middle. This is what has consistently worked - be pretty disappointed if it doesn’t happen. Harmes in the half-fwd flank, midfield rotations - depending if he has a tagging job.

Maybe or maybe not. compare the pair:- 1 coach is undefeated against the top 8, the other coach has lost to most of the major contenders (Melb, Geel, Syd, Rich) Dunkley is looking like a big out. Can see their overly tall team back-firing.

WOW 8/9 games, 0 assists......surely not? Surely he even mis-kicked one to an un-suspecting forward? how many assists Petracca and Oliver? (if you can find it easily)

No doubt many of the views in this thread are harsh on Jack - reality is, a midfield needs a complimentary mix. Unfortunately for him, he is a poor man’s version of Petracca/Oliver. I am sure he would be a much more effective midfielder for other teams where he could compliment outside class. this is where the responsibility is on the coaches to identify the issue and not expose him (and the team) by playing him in the middle, with 2 other similar but better players.

I will acknowledge his desire for the ball, tackling and pressure acts are impressive, and highly appreciated. Maybe selfish is the wrong word......but how else do you describe him getting in the way and cutting off Petracca/Oliver when they are in better positions to get the contested ball? And then Jack hurting the team by leaving us exposed on the outside Petracca/Oliver very rarely, if ever get in each other's way. Jack needs to urgently learn about cohesion, or hide himself on a flank....If I am wrong, happy to hear about it? but i just feel this has been a constant issue for a few years now

Great post Dwight - and this will be even more accurate if we knock off the dogs this week (like I suspect we will)

Oliver and Petracca have MASSIVE other strengths to offset their occasional kicking woes. Jack just has additional liabilities (gets caught too often, dumb, selfish) Don't want him traded, but do want him out of the middle. His role earlier in the year worked, why change this??? Oliver, Petracca and Jordon or Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw are 2 midfield mixes that have been successful. Oliver, Petracca, and Viney has only very very occasionally worked. Great post Half Forward Flank - Spot on.

Imagine being a forward knowing the bloke kicking to you has next to no chance of hitting you on a lead, if he is aiming for you

Happy to stick fat with him, if he is used in a different role. Not in the middle. Instead, 10-15 possessions a game, mostly handballs - 5-10 tackles, and high pressure acts. to have someone playing 90% on the ball, that could reliably turn the ball over via long dumb kicks, was such a large asset for the Hawks. Not to mention the turnovers via being tackled when he didn’t play within his limitations. last night went straight back to 2019/2020, when Petracca, Oliver and Viney all played for themselves and looked like they were competing with each other to be best player - Viney is not smart enough, and constantly got in the way (and then left a free hawk in a dangerous spot)

Just get him out of the middle. How much evidence do they need that he doesn't work with our other current key midfielders? Needs to stop trying to be a star, and work within his limitations, and realise he is a defensive scrapper and not much else. Either he or Harmes tags a midfielder, or plays as a defensive/negating half-fwd flank (when there is an appropriate match-up) - cant carry Viney, Harmes and Vanders in the same team.

Very damaging game. Jordon or Brayshaw replaces him in the middle, with one-third of the possessions, but playing their role and we win easy. Jack needs to be investigated for match-fixing due to consistently passing to Hawks players

Wake up from my nightmare, with a smile on my face, remembering that we won the game the day before by 104 points.

“Salem can be a liability at times” I didn’t know there was another Salem playing? As there is no chance you could ever describe Christian in this manner - the most reliable player by hand and foot in the team.

I noticed that TMac was disappointed when notified he had to head to the bench also. I am sure for some players that get comfortable/complacent after a goal it could make sense to take them off......But a confidence player like TMac should be just told to carry on!

Definitely part of the value he provides. By working well with the other fwds (ie leading at the right time to the right part of ground) - it definitely makes it easier for the mids to move the ball forward with confidence.

Go back and have a look at how our fwd line functions with Weid in (this year and last) - he clogs up space, doesn’t know when or how to lead, doesn’t assist other fwds, and doesn’t bring the ball to ground as much as BB did. weid could learn a lot from watching Brown’s game last night.

Watch the replay mate - you have missed the value Brown provided to the structure last night - a self-less game, that benefited just about all our other forwards. We have found our key fwd for finals.

Strange analysis isn’t it Koz - given we have beaten them all easily. As supporters we need to learn not to get sucked in to the media’s short term over-reactions - designed to generate an emotional response + click more articles.

6. Petracca 5. Oliver 4. McDonald 3. Petty 2. Salem 1. Gawn apologies May/Pickett/Hibberd

Casey playing Sat - will be able to travel to Adelaide with the team, and still play for Casey

Port have not beaten a top 8 side other than Sydney by 10 points. Melb have not lost to a top 8 side (GWS outside of 8 at start of last round)

we have the equal least losses in the league, yet after reading this post I have to check the ladder to remind myself that we are not last.......so very strange. dees up by 2 goals at quarter time, and end up beating Port by 25 points.

The lack of faith on this forum is funny. we are a genuine PREMIERSHIP threat, who had an off day Sat, just like all the other premiership threats have done multiple times this year. we will beat Port Thurs, and you will all jump back on again.

Wrong Maynard bud. we are poaching the collingwood version end of year.