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Erggghh. This is getting rough. Ok, ummmm…. I’m just going to leave this here for you to think about (or not) and do with it what you will. You can ignore it and still think I’m a Dhead, it’s all good. I’m sincerely not having a go when I point this out. You’ve now projected the words ‘racist’ and ‘bully’ onto me… like you’ve taken from this convo that I’ve explicitly called you a racist and a bully. If you read back through our convo though, I haven’t said either of those words, nor have I accused you of those things. Literally not once. If you think I have, then quote me where I have and I’ll address it. You can even PM me. Look up what ‘projection’ is. Don’t take my word for it. All the best McQueen.

Mate don’t try and paint yourself as a god damn victim now. It’s actually pathetic. Everyone, all the time, everywhere, are just ‘blokes (or bloke-etts) with their own sets of values and opinions. Whether it’s on the internet or not. You just got absolutely ruined for everyone to see. It wasn’t for your ‘opinion’ It was that you slandered a person, especially an ex-player of this football club, on the very forum, of the club that he played for, without backing up anything you said, even though I asked you like, 4 times now to try and do so. Be a man about it. You said something dumb and slanderous and you refused to even try and justify what you said because you realised how dumb it was. This wasn’t a battle, it was a massacre and it’s all of your making. Own it and jog on.

Yes, people that make more money than you don’t have a right to not be racially vilified. What an amazing argument.

True. We would probably have very productive conversations.

Thanks for this reply McQueen, it’s answered a lot of questions. ‘Wow. You have been all pent up hey precious’ I have Daddy and now you’re here to set me straight. ’Lumumba has taken this to extremes’ Thank you for confirming that you didn’t know what the word ‘extremist’ meant, you misused it and you’ve now changed your argument to ‘Lumumba has taken this to extremes’. Now the above statement makes sense and your initial statement was clearly a mistake as characterising Lumumba as an ‘extremist’ was obviously a ludicrous thing to say. So now… You, I and everyone reading this thread, will obviously be able to see, that was a very very dumb thing to have stated in your first post. But it’s clear now that it was a mistake so it’s all good. ’It’s also my opinion that you would love to goad me enough to label ME a racist’ Hmmmm that’s interesting, I know your incapable of answering a straight question, but I would LOVE it if you could quote where I called YOU racist? And goad? If me asking you 3 times to clarify what you mean is goading, then I suggest you stay off the internet. Or are you one of those snowflakes that is too scared to substantiate the insane things you say and start crying at the first sign that someone is asking you to clarify? ‘ICGAF about your opinion mate but thanks for taking such an interest in mine’ You’re very welcome, I will absolutely love to continue my interest in your opinions on mis-characterising people that have been the victims of racial vilification as extremists and then backing away from that out of ignorance or cowardice. I’ll even have tissues ready for you.

Great points and I’m going to nerd out a bit…. Extremism is a strange word in a way. It’s understood as being focused on the subject that it’s descriptive of, but what it is functionally doing, is establishing the users social/moral/political stances in opposition to the subject and asserting that the subject is immoral. So really, it’s as much, if not more, about the user as it is about the subject. Anyway, footy. Haha

Right ok, we’re gonna be like this. I can only infer from this that you don’t know what the words you use actually mean and can’t admit it, or even worse, you don’t want to substantiate what it is about him you find to be extremist to you, as it belies personal prejudice or ignorance. If you did have a good reason for calling him an extremist then you would have answered it the first/second/third time I directly asked, or you could just answer it now and prove me wrong? If not, it’s either childish behaviour or cowardly behaviour. Maybe both. You called an ex-player of this club an extremist in the context of this thread which it has been established as fact that he was racially vilified. I’d expect that a Melbourne supporter would be keen to explain what they mean when they potentially character assassinate a bloke and an ex-player, especially considering I answered how he’s NOT an extremist to your question the first time you asked it, but you refused 3 times to justify your claim that he’s an extremist and instead tried to deflect. That’s incredibly weak behaviour.

As far as I know, an extremist is someone that holds beliefs on a kind of ‘fundamentalist’ level and is strictly opposed to evidence/opinions that goes against their beliefs. The views are way outside the social and moral norms of a society. A radical is someone that wants to create extreme changes to society. One could be a ‘radical extremist’ for example. Someone that holds extreme views and wants to enact extreme change to society. Use of the word Extremist though, has solely negative connotations. Radical is more neutral in and of itself for the most part. Their usage can be interchangeable depending on someone’s underlying moral/political framework too: If you agree with the ideas of an extremist then you might call them a radical and vice versa if you disagree. So depending on a persons own beliefs, who and which positions they choose to call extremist can be reflective of inner extreme positions of their own. Abolishing slavery in the US at the time was probably seen as radical or extreme depending on who you asked… There are going to be grey areas in all of this as the context of what is radical and extreme will change throughout history etc. and again, it depends on your own moral/political positions as to what is extreme or radical. So it’s complicated. Hope that helps?

This is getting really boring. For the third time: How is Lumumba an extremist?

Because he hasn’t expressed opinions or beliefs that align with extremist ideologies nor has he demonstrated in his actions anything that could lead me to believe he is an extremist. But of course being asked to prove a negative is a logical fallacy as you know. So how is Lumumba an extremist?

How is Lumumba an extremist?

All fair points, just like to see what people think 😁 It’s all pointless in the end… as long as we win come September.

I know, I’m as shocked as you are. Watching the team this year, I think Petty/May is much harder to replace than Lever. I based my ranking on ability to be replaced… so I’m saying that, I think the combination of May and Petty are more important than any other in our backline. Obviously it’s a controversial position and I could be wildly wrong, but from what I’ve seen this year, I’d rather a May/Petty/Tomlinson than a May/Lever/Tomlinson backline.

Any top 4 team playing North twice this year is ludicrous.

Ahhhh interesting, we have Lever and Petty in opposite groups as well as Brayshaw in the secondary group and Jackson the bottom group.

We’ll win both by 30 points and then demonlanders will complain that we didn’t play well because we didn’t beat them by 900 points.

That’s fair, I think my thoughts about Brayshaw is that, Salem can’t be the kind of kamikaze type defender that puts himself in dangerous places and nor does grunt work like a mid-fielder. I don’t think there’s a replacement for that on our list. And Tomlinson could replace Petty… but I would rather see Tomlinson replace Lever than Petty IMO. Lever is an amazing player obviously, but it seems like Petty is a bigger loss for the team than Lever. All only an opinion though obviously, I just currently rate Petty as being irreplaceable, more so than Lever.

I’m all about pedantry unless it’s used against me, haha Sorry Gontee.

Interested to see where demonlanders see who ranks where on our list. I’ve divided up the team 7-8-7 of our best possible starting 22. Each group is in no particular order, but the middle and bottom groups are the players I think can be replaced. Here’s mine: TOP 7 Gawn Petracca Oliver May Petty Brayshaw Fritsch MIDDLE 8 Spargo Jackson ANB Salem Bowie Viney Langdon BBB Bottom 7 Lever Sparrow Mcdonald Jordan Harmes Pickett Rivers Players that miss out: Pickett I think can be covered by Bedford hence why he’s in the bottom 7. Lever (I reckon Petty has become are more important) player so could be more easily replaced by Tomlinson. Hunt doesn’t make the list as Salem would be the replacement for me when he’s fit and goes into my middle 8. Hunt is a bottom 7 player. Weid can replace McDonald and BBB, hence why BBB isn’t in the top 7. Dunstan could replace Viney or Jordan IMO.

Someone else has said this on demonland… but it would be criminal if this team doesn’t win 2-3 flags minimum. We’re unreal!

Watching the replay - Bucks points out that we are playing elite football. When we were 41 points up in the 1st, Saints pressure rating was at 200. Every single one of our disposals was made under pressure effectively and we were still able to dominate. That is unbelievable.

I think he came across as very arrogant as a coach, but now what I can see is that he is an INTENSE person when he’s representing a team in any form. He played like a soldier and as a coach, had the mentality that the world was against him, which I think he created in a way to give him the feeling he was in a battle. The guy gets motivation from a fight I think. As a neutral commentator though, he comes across a relaxed guy that thinks about the game a lot. My perception of his arrogance was misplaced.

I enjoy listening to Bucks a lot. I reckon he’s got a lot of insights into the game and he seems to see it pretty clearly.

Watching the Goodwin footage of the Granny and seeing how calm he was when the doggies had full momentum knowing full well we would swing momentum back… I don’t get nervous when teams start kicking a few goals together. Wasn’t even worried in that 3rd term, I knew we would get momentum back and hold them off. It’s just a part of the game knowing that teams will be able to come back at us for a while, not be able to maintain their pressure and attack long enough, then we get a lead and just defend it for the rest of the game.

Yeah exactly. There’s nothing spectacular about him that draws attention to himself, but what he does for the team is damaging and creates problems if he’s allowed to do what he wants. Also…. One of my favourite things in footy is learning about which players other clubs rate as having to concentrate on… Tom Mitchell is a prime example of the opposite, gets a lot of glory for gaining possessions but doesn’t do much damage.