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Fair points particularly bnf placings. Last year was so weird and unnatural, hub life and all the rest of it so perhaps you could argue its just an outlier. But it was a big drop-off! You’d want to be pretty sure it won’t repeat considering the outlay involved and all the other factors to be resolved to make this happen. I just don’t think he adds a whole more than we already have. We have greater needs. I'd rather we focus on those than get distracted by the Treloar circus.

what names are being bandied about LN

I think this is spot on and my initial reaction as well. A review that leaves all the same senior people in place (albeit in different roles) isn’t much of a review imo.

Just heard a snippet from Jon Ralph on fox sports news. He said “of the 234 players in the AFL who had over 100 kicks this year Treloar had the 3rd worst kick rating. The stat takes into account degree of difficulty. He also kicked just the one goal. Collingwood believe he just does not hurt opposition enough” This is why Collingwood want rid. For the money he commands that’s a horrible stat. We need to bring in midfielders that elevate our kicking efficiency not drag it down further. It’s a big NO from me.

I don’t think the timing of the announcement is a coincidence given the Brown news. Underwhelming. I know the pandemic is a massive factor but jeez a lot depends on Yze. He has to get that midfield firing and delivering half decent supply to BB.

I'd advise him to have a word with Adam Treloar before committing.

True but my post was more about the lack of interest. It is a good salary but not enough to put clubs off I would have thought. He’s contracted but the pies have cap issues so shouldn’t cost much trade wise. $400-500k 3 years and a third rounder could get this done. He fills an obvious need for us.

Fair point. The fact is though the pies haves completely stuffed up their TPP. They want shot of his salary and are coming out with all sorts of justifications. For that reason I’m inclined to believe Treloar.

Collingwood are a disgrace the way they are handling this. Treloar did them a favor back-ending his contract and this is the way they treat him. I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them. Wouldn’t all these selfishness issues have been known in 2019 when he extended his deal? Didn’t seem to be an issue then. Senior players saying they don’t want him. Talk about lunatics running the asylum! The pies are disintegrating and its a beautiful thing to behold.

I reckon with a good pre season as well you could be right ?

I’m delighted. If we do land that elusive flag we will look back on this moment as pivotal. It sounds like Burgess was key to the deal so I would love to get confirmation that he is staying. Next on my wish list - Tom Phillips

Noted. I'll add the proviso, subject to the passing his medical. In Burgess I trust.

He's gone to the wrong club again. Who is advising him, seriously. Sydney has a great culture and track record of rehabilitating players. Richmond would have been another good option. If he gets his act together and focuses then he'll be a great addition for them. I really hope it works out for him.

He's only played 80 games because he's back-up which is what we want him for. We don't have any credible internal options. I don't want to see Brown anywhere near a ruck contest given his knee issues and its too much to expect a second year Jackson to hold the fort. He'd get monstered. unless there's a better option running around in the state leagues then McKernan works best imv

Bad case of the yips. Hopefully Yze can sort this out. Great hands. Courageous too. Needs to bring more defensive effort.

He got stitched up for that sling tackle. 2 games was about right 4 was very harsh. Had his moments besides but just doesn't get his hands on it enough. Consistency isn't there. I'm ambivalent about whether we keep him or let him go.

Not sure if posted elsewhere already but the below is an update from Sam Edmunds on SEN on tom phillips “Tommy Phillips, same deal. A year to run on a contract, back-ended, more than 550. In fact, they’ve already told him that he could be traded and he’s open to that. I don’t believe there’s been a heck of a lot of interest. The lack of interest surprises me. $550k is hardly outrageous money. Perhaps there’s more to his poor season than just the emergence of Daicos?

Firstly. Welcome. Secondly. Very different players position wise. I don't recall ever seeing Matera play the wing (not a player i followed closely so could be wrong about that).

IF we were sat here next year and TMac had delivered a season on a par with 2018 I would be delighted and happily hold my hand up to admit I was wrong. Unfortunately that would be wishful thinking. He doesn’t have a role in our forward set-up. Our defence was good this year so no spot there either. He has no place on our list therefore it doesn’t help TMac’s career hanging around. He will just stagnate further. Best for him to make a fresh start, in a new environment and hopefully he can show better form. I’d be very happy for him if he did.

Fair point re Melksham. He was a major disappointment. If the club brought in a replacement I wouldn’t be unhappy. I’m don’t think Lever’s form was that bad. Our defence was solid last year and I think he had his part to play in that. Pay-cuts in contract never happen of course but I often think professional pride should play a part. I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable collecting my wage if I felt I hadn’t made a commensurate contribution (easy for me to say of course I’m not earning the big bucks).

No such thing as a sure thing of course. There is always risk. He had knee and off field issues last year which explains his lower output. Previous to that he was outstanding in a bang average team. As risks go he’s very much on the lower end of the scale and it’s a risk we have to take if we’re serious about breaking into the Top 4. I’m backing Burgess to get him back into top nick and a 45-55 goal season from our new cult hero!

His long run up perhaps seems to really offend a lot of posters for some never explained reason.

I would be staggered if the club aren’t looking at other options. Baker as plan B is no plan at all. I don’t want to knock the kid too much. He has shown glimpses but nothing to suggest to me he can hold down the wing opposite Langdon. In the future maybe but not next season. Hopefully BRFE’s read is correct and this it just standard trade period smoke and mirrors. Let's wait and see.

That may be so and perhaps we can work around his salary but the fact is he’s not justifying his big contract. High earning under-performing players are bad for team morale. I’ve nothing against Tmac and reckon he’s a good sort but he’s not earning his wages. He knows it and his team mates know it. We’ve all had a colleague at one stage or another who weren't doing their fair share. They may be nice people but resentment sets in soon enough because others have to pick up the slack. I’d be pretty p’ed off as a player if I knew we couldn’t strengthen the list properly because of the cap sunk in an under performer. I’d also be none too impressed if I wasn’t able to negotiate a better (deserved) contract for myself for the same reason. If he wants to stay and reckons he can find form and fitness again he should take a pay cut. If he has made the decision to move he should be realistic in his wage demands and expectations. If he digs his heels in and is unreasonable my perception of him will change. There’s no doubt in my mind its best for all parties that Tmac moves on.

You might get to see a game next year yet OD ? Extract from the Herald this morning. Subject to national cabinet’s approval, the first Australians to receive a COVID-19 vaccine will be 1.5 million doctors, nurses, pharmacists, pathologist, aged care workers and the elderly Mr Hunt said he had “high confidence” COVID-19 vaccinations would begin in the first quarter of next year possibly clearing the way to re-open our international borders at the end of 2021 “The evidence on the first half of 2021 is strengthening and the evidence on first quarter of 2021 is strengthening and it’s likely that new contracts would also involve first quarter delivery so you know we’re thinking March may be possible,” he said. “The expectation is that everybody who sought vaccination would be vaccinated well within 2021”