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Does that mean what Ryan did was infinitely worse than what McGovern did?

If he does happen to go, I can't see us in our list situation being able to offer anywhere near what a rival will tbh. Pert has already talked about players taking cuts. Cerra is 22 and wasn't a free agent, not sure it's comparable. But a 'good deal' is really dependent on how those picks turn out and what impact they can have to replace the unique things Jackson brings that has seen us win a flag. We're in our window now, sure plan for the future, but maximizing our current list ,including 4 key position players who only have a couple of years left, is vital IMO. 100%!

Have we lost him? Haven't seen that anywhere yet. Goody said it was tightness and they were hopeful for this week, although that was post-game and pre-scans of course.

Your stills are tiny fractions of a second, that was my point in showing you alternate stills. They don't represent the incident as a whole, as you said yourself at the start of your post. Sure, he turns him slightly - but he turns him towards the ground, not away from it. Hawkins turns his opponent away from facing the ground. It's borderline, probably could have been a suspension, but that's the main difference between that one being borderline and Chandler's likely resulting in a suspension.

You can't cherry pick 2 frames out mate. And what you've shown there is if there's any 'turning' it's turning his head towards the ground. Have watched the replay a fair few times now in the meantime and those frames you've picked out are not indicative at all of the whole incident IMO. To contrast your two frames, here's another two:

I might need to watch the replay again, but from memory Chandler certainly did not turn Foley and he went face first into the turf with both arms firmly pinned. The Hawkins one is pretty different to that IMO.

Main difference for mine is how much the arms are pinned and that Joyce's shoulder hits the ground first (given Hawkins turns him a bit).

Completely different mate. Frawley left a bin fire of a club as a free agent at age 26. We were in desperate need of draft currency to facilitate a rebuild. Jackson is a 20 year old in a team firmly in a premiership window and absolutely not in desperate need of high draft picks at the moment. I mean, I'm not saying it's a complete disaster if we lose Jackson, but I firmly believe we're far better placed for success if we manage to keep him around, particularly given Gawn, May, TMac and Brown would only have a couple of years left.

We're in a completely different situation now. There is no comparison.

Would prefer to not trade Jackson out on a gamble.

I get where you're coming from, and I won't bother writing a whole long thing, but my short version is: - Draft picks are no guarantee of a gun player. - Our window is now. Right now. A bunch of our key players only have a couple of years left. I'd be worried about the period between when they finish and when these draft pick players come through. There's 'possibilities' in many directions with draft picks.

No guarantee it's a top 10 pick next year though.

Where would West Coast get a second top 10 pick from? How would Freo get two top 10 picks? Brayshaw is a free agent, absolute best case scenario is we maybe get pick 19 for him.

Doesn't matter. The rule doesn't say 'sling tackle' it says 'dangerous tackle'. Doesn't matter. The basis of the rule is around potential to cause injury. There 100% is. Pinning the arm(s) is clearly covered in the dangerous tackle rule.

Is (premiership player and Grand Final momentum turner) Luke Jackson the right guy? #ISayItWithAHeavyWallet

People get too caught up in the public labeling it a 'sling tackle' rule. That's not the only thing the rules cover. It's more of a dangerous tackle rule, and one of the things it covers is the pinning of arms. They tweaked the rule in 2020 to make it more broad in classification (ie - changed to 'dangerous tackle' from previous 'spear tackle' or 'sling tackle'), but the main focus remained to the head. Chandler will get 1 week minimum. The AFL's rules say: "The Player being tackled is in a vulnerable position (i.e. arm(s) pinned) with little opportunity to protect himself,"

6 marks and 1 tackle mate. https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/4228#player-stats

1 tackle. 12 disposals - 3 clangers, 5 turnovers. Thought he was poor today. Yeah probably fair to say more good than bad, his defending has improved a lot this year for sure. His disposal has just stood out a lot more without Salem around maybe.

Not with you on this call at all. Been up and down this year and thought today was one of his worst.

Don't disagree on that, but if those people haven't readjusted their expectations by now then that's their problem. Had a good game today, hope he takes some confidence from it.

Sounds like Weid will be immediately delisted then. Thanks for the insight.

How many games has Mitch played at AFL level this year again?